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      02-22-2009, 10:19 PM   #89
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When is it coming out?
I would like to know as well, but I think it is all speculation at this point.
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      02-22-2009, 10:54 PM   #90
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it's going to "debut" at the Geneva Auto Show, and I have heard as late as june, but let's hope bmw surprises us and has it ready for purchase right away
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anyone heard anything about this recently?
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      03-11-2009, 08:21 PM   #92
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I had a new HPFP and trunk taillight put in yesterday under warranty and they had no info on it- south bay bmw, los angeles area
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UUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH! you're killing me here
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      03-11-2009, 08:57 PM   #95
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OOOH - an NDA!

So CDs and DVDs are always released on Tuesday, books are released on Thursday, and movies mostly come out in the theater on Friday - what day will the hot auto parts be released?

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I'll release the info when I am allowed to.

thats a good sign!
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      03-12-2009, 02:48 AM   #97
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thats a good sign!
but what about the UK, do we get it too ??????
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      03-12-2009, 08:11 AM   #98
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I'll release the info when I am allowed to.
Here are a few ideas...

adc hasn't signed any NDA's, you can tell him in confidence.

Or, just create another account.



I'd like to have more info, I'm only 1 month away from ordering a car and I still haven't decided between 135i and M3...
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      03-12-2009, 11:11 AM   #99
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I'd like to have more info, I'm only 1 month away from ordering a car and I still haven't decided between 135i and M3...
If the "Performance Power Kit" is what makes people chose the 135i over the M3 I would anticipate MUCH better numbers than what's been rumored to come from this upgrade.
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      03-12-2009, 12:32 PM   #100
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^lol. the whole story starts all over again between the m3v8 and 135i. Do not ever think that a 350bhp 1 series is more powerful then a 415 bhp M3V8. No way. The M3 is the better performing sportscar. Is has been so many times proven on circuits by independed testers. period. How many youtubes movies you want to see about that subject. Even a M3V8 outruns a BMW 135i Evotech 400bhp+ with aftermarket sports suspension by minutes(!), if they drive f.i. 15 rounds on the track.

BUT, can a 350bhp 1 series give you that much fun for half money? O yes, it can. And, the torque engine of the 135i is even faster on the daily road in flexibility. O yes, it is. So, if you are not a hard core trackdrive, the 135i will do. What? I would prefer above the M3. But if you are - or wanna be - an experienced trackday race driver and you absolutely want the ultimate machine? the M3V8is the care to have, not the 135i.

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      03-12-2009, 01:22 PM   #101
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If the "Performance Power Kit" is what makes people chose the 135i over the M3 I would anticipate MUCH better numbers than what's been rumored to come from this upgrade.
What I meant is that I would like to know the cost, because it would join a litany of other mods on the 135i: performance catalog suspension, M3 f/r control arms and rear sway, exhaust, Quaife and wheels/tires.

Thus equipped, speed and handling would be very similar to the M3 but the price difference would be halved.

Just adding my numbers, see what they come to...

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Even a M3V8 outruns a BMW 135i Evotech 400bhp+ with aftermarket sports suspension by minutes(!), if they drive f.i. 15 rounds on the track.
The situation can be easily reversed with the correct modifications on the 135i. If it lost by minutes, I seriously doubt Evotech has built up that car correctly - if you look at One Lap Of America standings, you'll notice that a modified 135i came higher than an M3, both driven by seasoned drivers. OLOA consists of many different tracks and other speed events (oval, 1/4 mile etc.).

I have seen that OLOA car in person and know what it takes to get it to that level, the question is am I prepared to do it?

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BUT, can a 350bhp 1 series give you that much fun for half money? O yes, it can. And, the torque engine of the 135i is even faster on the daily road in flexibility. O yes, it is.
Exactly - that's my question.

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So, if you are not a hard core trackdrive, the 135i will do. What? I would prefer above the M3. But if you are - or wanna be - an experienced trackday race driver and you absolutely want the ultimate machine? the M3V8is the care to have, not the 135i.
Doesn't even have to be put in terms of track days (my car would see a few per year, no more). The M3 is special in the way it drives, sounds, delivers power - a more special experience all the way around (yes, including maintenance costs, modification costs etc.). And it comes with 4 doors which would be very useful to me.


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anyone heard anything about this recently?
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      03-12-2009, 07:24 PM   #103
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ALL this Talk about 135i VS M3

Has anyone stopped to think that maby its the M3 that should have more HP.. Then having a 350hp ISH 135 would be no big deal, and not infringing on the M3 sales as people say...
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      03-12-2009, 07:41 PM   #104
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I have thought of that and totally agree
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      03-13-2009, 03:31 AM   #105
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hi adc.

Ofcourse the discussion between the 135i and m3v8 has to be between stock cars, not a havily modified 135i against a stock M3v8. But still a havily modified 135i(!) cannot keep up with the M3v8. Here is one test between the M3V8, Schnitzer ACS1.35i (360bhp) and the Evotech 135i (400+bhp). There are more tests, have to look up.

http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_949lo.jpg

http://img164.imagevenue.com/img.php...jpg&loc=loc817

360 135i against M3v8

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      03-13-2009, 07:26 AM   #106
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hi adc.

Ofcourse the discussion between the 135i and m3v8 has to be between stock cars, not a havily modified 135i against a stock M3v8. But still a havily modified 135i(!) cannot keep up with the M3v8. Here is one test between the M3V8, Schnitzer ACS1.35i (360bhp) and the Evotech 135i (400+bhp). There are more tests, have to look up.

http://img138.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_949lo.jpg

http://img164.imagevenue.com/img.php...jpg&loc=loc817

360 135i against M3v8
Do you think BMW would ever install 215 tires on the front of a M3? It can't keep up with M3 because BMW made sure it wouldn't, at least in stock form.
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^Ofcourse BMW acts that way. Actually, did you read the track data precisely? As you can see the AC Schnitzer is on all checkpoints (sektoren) on the track faster(!) than a M3v8. Just on the 215 tires at the front. But still the M3 wins with a huge gab! Why? Because 1st) the M3 standard suspension is also brilliant and 2nd) the brilliant v8 engine has more power. But, if you modify the M3 with better suspension, the ACS1.35i has not any change at all against a modified M3.

So, the whole discussion is not relevant at all. The only thing you can say, but than you have to include the 335i as well in this dicsussion, is the M3V8 THE car to have if you want - stupidly - fast in the daily traffic. Well, I can live with the 135i/335i. I do not need the M3V8 for that. But, crzy4135i, just make a testdrive in the M3V8..!

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Because 1st) the M3 standard suspension is also brilliant and 2nd) the brilliant v8 engine has more power.
Both these things can be made better in a 135i (well in pretty much any car really). Just takes money and the willingness to potentially suspend the warranty.

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But, if you modify the M3 with better suspension, the ACS1.35i has not any change at all against a modified M3.(...)So, the whole discussion is not relevant at all.
Au contraire, it's very relevant - the underlying theme in this discussion, wheter admitted out loud or not, is money. For what a stock M3 costs, you can absolutely make a 135i handle better and be faster - by a significant margin. (Well at least in the US you can).

The ACS car runs on incorrect wheels (wrong offset leads to narrow tires) and I would imagine, based on their other road offerings, the suspension is also soft - and the power increase too conservative. I am telling you I saw a 135i with about 340 WHP, wide PS2 all around, top of the line race coilover suspension and $$$ Performance Friction brakes - that car was consistently faster than a stock M3 on all manners of tracks. And for less money (just barely).



But is a $50k 135i worth it compared to a $55k M3? I am just not sure.
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Sorry ADC, but it is a inrrelevant discusion. Modify a Renault Megane (year 1993) with 600 BHp and supersuspension and it wil outperform any 135i. Your obeservation about the ACS wheels... well, I am sorry, but do beleive that AC Schnitzer (= BMW Rennsport WRC) know what they are doing. Better then we do behind our desk.
Anyway, have fun with the car. I like my 135i a lot!!
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Sorry ADC, but it is a inrrelevant discusion. Modify a Renault Megane (year 1993) with 600 BHp and supersuspension and it wil outperform any 135i.
Well you yourself have a modified 135i - how is it irrelevant?

Just the fact that I would modify the 135i with a different set of parts and in my own garage??? All the parts I have in mind are high quality (even BMW parts), with the correct R&D effort spent...

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Your obeservation about the ACS wheels... well, I am sorry, but do beleive that AC Schnitzer (= BMW Rennsport WRC) know what they are doing. Better then we do behind our desk.
Ask yourself this - is ACS using those same wheels when they go racing? I'm genuinely curious - do they sell race technology or cosmetic items?
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