should I switch from Cobb to mhd?

Joseg0715 · 10-24-2023, 10:37 PM

I have a fbo N54 135i and I'm running Cobb stg2+ which runs around 18-20 psi. I'm looking for a little more power but I'm getting conflicting answers. Cobb says their tunes make more torque than their competitors, meanwhile people on the internet call Cobb antiquated because it hasn't been updated in a few years. From what I see iit's running perfectly so why do I need an update on the map.

I apppreciate any input and thanks in advance.

tracer bullet · 10-24-2023, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseg0715

From what I see iit's running perfectly so why do I need an update on the map.

There ya go.

Totally different story if you had nothing installed. But if it's there and working, it's fine. Any amount MHD would be "better" would hardly be noticeable.

1and1 · 10-25-2023, 08:06 AM

Well, really I agree with Tracer, if it's running fine and meets your needs, then just leave it be and be happy it's running well!

That said, I also think you answered your own question-

You asked:
"why do I need an update on the map"

But started the post with:
"I'm looking for a little more power"

If you really want more, then something changes. Up to you what that change is going to be, if anything.

Maybe consider finding a custom tuner to work with your AP and get off the OTS Cobb map. Beware tho that most of the tuners will probably encourage MHD over the AP just because MHD is in active development and hardware costs are significantly decreased since you use your phone.

tracer bullet · 10-25-2023, 09:03 AM

Agreed with that too. If everything's good, and you have no plans, keep the Cobb. Jumping over to MHD by itself won't change anything significant if at all.

If you have plans to mod, then yeah, maybe. Custom type stuff, swapping turbos and such, or a custom tune to eek out 5-10 more hp, sure.

If it's an intercooler or down pipe then might still keep with Cobb. But you could start debating then.

Probably a good time to say what mods you have, what if any you plan to get, and what you are really looking for.

G3min1 · 10-25-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Joseg0715

I have a fbo N54 135i and I'm running Cobb stg2+ which runs around 18-20 psi. I'm looking for a little more power but I'm getting conflicting answers. Cobb says their tunes make more torque than their competitors, meanwhile people on the internet call Cobb antiquated because it hasn't been updated in a few years. From what I see iit's running perfectly so why do I need an update on the map.

I apppreciate any input and thanks in advance.

I'm confused as to why you said "its running perfectly so why do [you] need an update on the map". I though your whole thing was you want to make more power?

You want more power? What numbers with what mods are you making right now? I know that when I swapped over to MHD instead of JB4 w/MHD BEF, did a walnut blast, and new clutch my torque and HP (v10 maps) increased by a lot. (+40hp / +122tq). I think my old clutch wasn't able to put the power down. But either way I was glad to make the swap. (I'm FBO)

Joseg0715 · 10-25-2023, 10:30 AM

I'm running a vargas charge pipe with a tial, vrsfbcatless down pipes, 7" intercooler, inlets and outlets, and dci. Might be missing something but it's just standard full bolt ons.

Joseg0715 · 10-25-2023, 10:32 AM

I asked about the update because people on the forums say that Cobb is outdated and runs horribly but with me it's running perfectly. I have not taken it to a dyno yet.

tracer bullet · 10-25-2023, 11:27 AM

Well FWIW you are asking the right questions. Seriously nothing wrong with the Cobb tune. But yes you may have hp left to be gained with MHD. But I'm not sure it'll be immediate, it might require assistance (custom tune of some sort). You start to have to decide how much it'll $ cost and if it's "worth it". Software, adapter, tuning work...

bxdinster · 01-19-2024, 01:45 PM

i went from cobb to mhd 9 years or more definitely do it way better and much more options and better tune overall

ShocknAwe · 01-19-2024, 04:59 PM

Sounds like maybe you're ready to make some changes with the car. Why not look at the new additions and options MHD has baked into their flashing modules and compare that to Cobb.

If youre happy as is, don't fix what's not broken

If you want to add features power or further modify your car, get MHD.

Have fun!

10-24-2023, 10:37 PM	#1
Joseg0715 Enlisted Member 2 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 09 135i Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Tucson, AZ iTrader: (0)	should I switch from Cobb to mhd? I have a fbo N54 135i and I'm running Cobb stg2+ which runs around 18-20 psi. I'm looking for a little more power but I'm getting conflicting answers. Cobb says their tunes make more torque than their competitors, meanwhile people on the internet call Cobb antiquated because it hasn't been updated in a few years. From what I see iit's running perfectly so why do I need an update on the map. I apppreciate any input and thanks in advance.
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1and1 Loves me some MHD! 1858 Rep 1,719 Posts Drives: faster than he should... Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Tally, FL iTrader: (2) Garage List '09 135i [10.00]	Well, really I agree with Tracer, if it's running fine and meets your needs, then just leave it be and be happy it's running well! That said, I also think you answered your own question- You asked: "why do I need an update on the map" But started the post with: "I'm looking for a little more power" If you really want more, then something changes. Up to you what that change is going to be, if anything. Maybe consider finding a custom tuner to work with your AP and get off the OTS Cobb map. Beware tho that most of the tuners will probably encourage MHD over the AP just because MHD is in active development and hardware costs are significantly decreased since you use your phone. __________________ 1and1 135i - E82.N54 2009 BSM - MHD / xHP / DCI, PR CP & 7.5" Race IC / N55 mid & Borla . . WL RSFI, Koni, Eibach & Dinan CP's, M3 CA's / EBC Red's & Firehawk 500's X1 - E84.N20 2013 MGM - JB4 - The Wife's, now with new turbo & ewg
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10-25-2023, 09:03 AM	#4
tracer bullet Brigadier General 2412 Rep 3,548 Posts Drives: '11 135i , '15 X3 35i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Saint Paul, MN iTrader: (1)	Agreed with that too. If everything's good, and you have no plans, keep the Cobb. Jumping over to MHD by itself won't change anything significant if at all. If you have plans to mod, then yeah, maybe. Custom type stuff, swapping turbos and such, or a custom tune to eek out 5-10 more hp, sure. If it's an intercooler or down pipe then might still keep with Cobb. But you could start debating then. Probably a good time to say what mods you have, what if any you plan to get, and what you are really looking for.
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10-25-2023, 10:30 AM	#6
Joseg0715 Enlisted Member 2 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 09 135i Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Tucson, AZ iTrader: (0)	I'm running a vargas charge pipe with a tial, vrsfbcatless down pipes, 7" intercooler, inlets and outlets, and dci. Might be missing something but it's just standard full bolt ons.
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Joseg0715 Enlisted Member 2 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 09 135i Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Tucson, AZ iTrader: (0)	I asked about the update because people on the forums say that Cobb is outdated and runs horribly but with me it's running perfectly. I have not taken it to a dyno yet.
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10-25-2023, 11:27 AM	#8
tracer bullet Brigadier General 2412 Rep 3,548 Posts Drives: '11 135i , '15 X3 35i Join Date: May 2011 Location: Saint Paul, MN iTrader: (1)	Well FWIW you are asking the right questions. Seriously nothing wrong with the Cobb tune. But yes you may have hp left to be gained with MHD. But I'm not sure it'll be immediate, it might require assistance (custom tune of some sort). You start to have to decide how much it'll $ cost and if it's "worth it". Software, adapter, tuning work...
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bxdinster Private 60 Rep 62 Posts Drives: 2020 M5 comp 2009 135i Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	i went from cobb to mhd 9 years or more definitely do it way better and much more options and better tune overall
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01-19-2024, 04:59 PM	#10
ShocknAwe 1Addict 3233 Rep 7,894 Posts Drives: E82 Mutt, M57 Truck Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Charleston iTrader: (22)	Sounds like maybe you're ready to make some changes with the car. Why not look at the new additions and options MHD has baked into their flashing modules and compare that to Cobb. If youre happy as is, don't fix what's not broken If you want to add features power or further modify your car, get MHD. Have fun! __________________ 2010 135i 6MT Jet Black N54/3 FE82 Mutt \| BUILD THREAD \| GARAGE SALE
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