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      02-21-2019, 04:16 PM   #3059
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Here's something interesting we can talk about. I'm curious to know what you guys have and want. What's the oldest firearm in your personal collection, preferably something that you still shoot on occasion?
Also, what's on your older arm still to buy list?

My oldest are, two M1 carbines, one is a NPM made in late '43 and a Saginaw made in early '44. Only a couple months apart in age. They make it to range about twice a year.

I am looking for the type rifle my Great Great Grandfather used during the Civil War, a Sharps rifle. They make modern copies but I'm looking for an original 1860's issue one. They're available but the prices are high and I'm shopping for just the right one. Also in the market for a Colt 1911A1 issued during WWII.
I have a M1 Carbine that's seen some action in WWII bouncing around my family. Thing still works like a charm.
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I have a couple and have a CCW that I keep current. Just don't have time to go out and practice like I should/want.
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I have a M1 Carbine that's seen some action in WWII bouncing around my family. Thing still works like a charm.
Nice, if you have an original carbine chances are it saw service in WWII and often times Korea also. Most produced American weapon of the war, over 6 million were made. They started making them right before the war and when the war ended so did production. What company made yours?

I bought my Saginaw some years back and took the wife to the range one day to try it. She loved it and I was afraid of losing it to her. I bought her one of her own to keep her mitts off mine. Word to the wise, taking your spouse who likes shooting to the range can get a lot more expensive then just targets and a couple boxes of ammo!
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Nice, if you have an original carbine chances are it saw service in WWII and often times Korea also. Most produced American weapon of the war, over 6 million were made. They started making them right before the war and when the war ended so did production. What company made yours?

I bought my Saginaw some years back and took the wife to the range one day to try it. She loved it and I was afraid of losing it to her. I bought her one of her own to keep her mitts off mine. Word to the wise, taking your spouse who likes shooting to the range can get a lot more expensive then just targets and a couple boxes of ammo!
No shit, so far I've bought her a Henry Golden Boy, Ruger MKIII and a Smith & Wesson 686. I'm afraid to let her shoot my Glock.
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Ontario has strict laws to get one
To get one what?
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It's a pain, but not too bad if you want to take the necessary steps. A 2 day course and a background check plus an $85 RPAL licence fee. Then go on line and buy guns and Canada Post will deliver them to your house.
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It's a pain, but not too bad if you want to take the necessary steps. A 2 day course and a background check plus an $85 RPAL licence fee. Then go on line and buy guns and Canada Post will deliver them to your house.
I heard there is alot of rules too like you can't keep weapon loaded in your own house?
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I heard there is alot of rules too like you can't keep weapon loaded in your own house?
There are safe storage laws, guns and ammo have to be locked up. That just common sense though.
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There are safe storage laws, guns and ammo have to be locked up. That just common sense though.
I dont think there is similar laws jn the states?

What if someone break in and rob your house while youre sleeping
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I dont think there is similar laws jn the states?

What if someone break in and rob your house while youre sleeping
So the laws in the US vary from state to state. Perhaps some of the US folks could comment. In Canada the laws are the same across the country and the view is that you don't own guns to protect yourself.

Having said that, you can comply with the law and still get to your gun in pretty short order. And then you're going to need a good lawyer because you will likely be charged.

The view of the Government are that Guns in Canada are for hunting, collecting or target shooting.

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guns laws are a mess, the overall framework is universal (our second amendment), but that is where the arguing starts.

state laws are wildly different, but speaking in very general terms, you can buy and keep a gun in the state where you live, maybe not the gun that you want, but you can buy a gun.

beyond that there are hundreds of gun laws, and there are laws about how ‘agressively’ you can defend yourself.

I am in (the people’s republic of) California, and with a short test and a 10 day waiting period I can go buy a gun. I can transport it to and from a shooting range, and I can go shooting on some public and private land. Interestingly, CA has some of the most aggressive ‘castle doctrine’ laws that there are, you are allowed to persue your attacker in some cases, certainly not recommended.
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also, all but 4 or 5 counties have reasonable ccw laws

edit: maybe not reasonable, but doable
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So it's interesting, CCW permits are almost unheard of in Canada. I know of a few that have been issued but rarely.

The one thing I find interesting in the US vs Canada is that each state has its own criminal laws and therefore they often vary from state to state. I guess I find it odd compared to Canada where the criminal code is universal across the country.

Our laws on firearms are a bit too strict in my view, and likely to get stricter. However, once I have a RPAL, Restricted Purchase Acquisition Licence I can order or buy guns pretty easily. Non-restricted guns, so hunting and target rifles with a barrel 18" or longer I can walk into a gun store and buy or order and have it shipped and it will be here the next day. Restricted, so rifles with less than 18" barrel and hand guns with longer than 4 1/4" barrels take a few days longer as the CFO, Chief Firearms Officer must process the sale and registration of the firearm. Theres been a backlog lately so it takes about 10 days but normally faster. I think the backlog is because there is fear the government is going to place more restrictions on handguns so I think folks are buying them up now. That reminds me, I need to get the wife .357 ordered.

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Grump, just curious, you're a retired cop, do those same ownership parameters apply for citizens who aren't/weren't LE?
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Grump, just curious, you're a retired cop, do those same ownership parameters apply for citizens who aren't/weren't LE?
The laws are the same for everyone. Background checks, references etc. However when you're on the job it's kind of strange, at least I always thought so. You get trained and issued your weapon. No licence, no paperwork to carry etc. You have your badge and that's it. When you retire, they take your gun back and give you a badge that shows you're retired. If you want to buy guns you have to get a licence (RPAL). If you want to buy guns while you're on the job you have to get an RPAL as well.
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guns laws are a mess, the overall framework is universal (our second amendment), but that is where the arguing starts.

state laws are wildly different, but speaking in very general terms, you can buy and keep a gun in the state where you live, maybe not the gun that you want, but you can buy a gun.

beyond that there are hundreds of gun laws, and there are laws about how ‘agressively’ you can defend yourself.

I am in (the people’s republic of) California, and with a short test and a 10 day waiting period I can go buy a gun. I can transport it to and from a shooting range, and I can go shooting on some public and private land. Interestingly, CA has some of the most aggressive ‘castle doctrine’ laws that there are, you are allowed to persue your attacker in some cases, certainly not recommended.
I live in Tennessee. We regulate guns to about the same extent as chewing gum.

We also have a CCW permit process that is a one page form you mail in and then receive a lifetime permit that doesn't need to be renewed.
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For me:
- Defense: SigSauer or Hornady Crit Def
- Range: Fuccini or Federal Walmart Special
Same for defense but mostly American eagle or S&B for range
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guns laws are a mess, the overall framework is universal (our second amendment), but that is where the arguing starts.

state laws are wildly different, but speaking in very general terms, you can buy and keep a gun in the state where you live, maybe not the gun that you want, but you can buy a gun.

beyond that there are hundreds of gun laws, and there are laws about how ‘agressively’ you can defend yourself.

I am in (the people’s republic of) California, and with a short test and a 10 day waiting period I can go buy a gun. I can transport it to and from a shooting range, and I can go shooting on some public and private land. Interestingly, CA has some of the most aggressive ‘castle doctrine’ laws that there are, you are allowed to persue your attacker in some cases, certainly not recommended.
I live in Tennessee. We regulate guns to about the same extent as chewing gum.

We also have a CCW permit process that is a one page form you mail in and then receive a lifetime permit that doesn't need to be renewed.
That's one of the main reasons I moved to the south! (From communist New York)
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So it's interesting, CCW permits are almost unheard of in Canada. I know of a few that have been issued but rarely.

The one thing I find interesting in the US vs Canada is that each state has its own criminal laws and therefore they often vary from state to state. I guess I find it odd compared to Canada where the criminal code is universal across the country.

Our laws on firearms are a bit too strict in my view, and likely to get stricter. However, once I have a RPAL, Restricted Purchase Acquisition Licence I can order or buy guns pretty easily. Non-restricted guns, so hunting and target rifles with a barrel 18" or longer I can walk into a gun store and buy or order and have it shipped and it will be here the next day. Restricted, so rifles with less than 18" barrel and hand guns with longer than 4 1/4" barrels take a few days longer as the CFO, Chief Firearms Officer must process the sale and registration of the firearm. Theres been a backlog lately so it takes about 10 days but normally faster. I think the backlog is because there is fear the government is going to place more restrictions on handguns so I think folks are buying them up now. That reminds me, I need to get the wife .357 ordered.
In the US, there's Federal level laws and then state level laws. States like Texas would be more friendly to firearm owners, but places like California they would not. I'd love it if they did it only on a Federal level, but local politicians think they know better and love to push anti gun laws down our throats. Problem with lots of these politicians is that they fear the gun and haven't even really touched it unless it was a photo op. If they understood guns and didn't like it.. I would highly respect their opinions. Unfortunately many of them don't have my respect.
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To continue down the path of oldest guns..
My oldest in my collection would be a Sig P220. Love the gun, but rarely take it out.
I tend to use my S&W M&P 9C because it's my carry gun and it's so accurate.

Oldest gun in my collection would be a 1982 (originally police issued) H&K MP5.

My favorite collector items are either my Magpul MPLA lower or my complete KAC Xmas lower set.
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