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04-15-2010, 10:39 AM | #1 |
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135i Brake issues - solved?
As you know one of the Achilles' heel is the OEM Brembo brake caliper and the 135i's general inability to shed heat from its front brakes. The result after hard on track driving is boiled fluid, mushy pedal feel, and at worst case cracked piston insulator cups.
We will be testing some titanium brake shims from TiSpeed this month in a track setting. The brake shims provide you with a thermal barrier between the pad and the brake piston, thereby reducing the heat transfer to your fluid. Berk Technology will soon begin running in full wheel to wheel racing events where reliable consistent brakes will be one of the key aspects to driver confidence and fast clean laps. More info on our blog and TiSpeed's website! http://berktechnology.wordpress.com/...-with-tispeed/ |
04-15-2010, 10:57 AM | #2 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the problem with the pistons cracking is due to the stepped surface the piston contacts on aftermarket pads?
Which pads do, or do not have this small step in the piston contact area?
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04-15-2010, 02:14 PM | #3 |
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Cool Carbon pads do not have stepped pads and are as per BMW OE dimensions.
Here is some more information on them: http://www.coolcarbonperformance.com...R_BMW_135i.pdf |
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04-15-2010, 03:46 PM | #4 |
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We are going to try them as well at Buttonwillow this weekend (April 17/18)
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04-15-2010, 04:10 PM | #5 |
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Please give a review. I am very interestred in the product as well...
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04-19-2010, 04:20 PM | #8 |
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I've got a set of those Ti plates to install as well.
Interestingly enough, I now have one caliper with a brownish BMW logo and one that looks as-new. Strangely, the side with airflow somewhat blocked by the oil cooler is *not* the one that became discolored. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm... |
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04-29-2010, 12:02 AM | #10 | |
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We bought an "off the shelf" Hawk HT10 pad about a year later and it had a correct backing plate on there. |
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04-29-2010, 12:26 AM | #11 |
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VERY WELL! We can now complete one full session which we have never done before due to the brakes overheating and the pedal going to the floor. As a precautionary measure we bleed the brakes between rounds. We used to see BLACK fluid bleed out of the front calipers after a few laps. Now we are seeing normal looking fluid! These brake shims from Ti speed are absolutely doing their part in keeping our brake fluid temperatures in check!
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04-29-2010, 08:42 AM | #13 |
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Did you guys have any issues fitting new pads in the calipers along with the shims? Did you have to grind down the pads at all, or use already worn pads?
This seems like one more good solution. I recently upgraded to DTC-70/60 pads and they performed very well, but I think my ATE fluid still boiled a bit because I felt an elongated pedal travel at the end of one particularly long and demanding session on the track. Thanks for sharing your feedback on this and everything else.
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04-29-2010, 09:00 AM | #14 |
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Awesome. I've bought a set for my track car (not the 1). Had the same issue as you: mushy pedal after a few laps, black fluid when bleeding... Now I am really looking forward to trying them.
Did you also have cooling ducts? If so, were they there before you tried the shims? Quote:
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04-29-2010, 01:45 PM | #16 |
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We installed these on pads that already has some use and they slipped right in. If the pads are brand new you may have to at least bed them in first to give you the 0.020" of extra clearance you need.
Yes we have cooling ducts installed as well. For Vegas we installed both at the same time so I can't quantify exactly what is doing more, the ducts or the Ti Speed shims. I can tell you that the heat marks are only happening on one side of the shim, meaning that they are partially stopping or greatly slowing down the heat transfer from the pad to the piston. |
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05-04-2010, 11:40 AM | #17 |
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Bryan -
Can you share more details on he brake ducts you guys have? I'm wondering if it's possible to get enough real estate in there for a viable solution on a street car that needs to be able to turn the wheels enough for parallel parking, even with 245s up front. Do you think this would be possible? My brakes got FRIIIIIIIIIED this weekend - brown, cracking enamel, crispy dust boots, and cracked ceramic piston inserts. :-/ |
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05-04-2010, 11:46 AM | #18 | |
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Track pads simply bring the operating temps of the rotor and caliper way above their design range. The OEM Brembos are not a race-quality Brembo caliper, unfortunately. |
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05-04-2010, 02:30 PM | #20 |
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So are these needed with coolcarbon pads or just with hawk?
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