Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart VS. BMW 128i Sport Package

[1ntense_Rocket]

what is your take?

[imported_erick]

what year is this lancer? maybe a picture?
hopefully it's not the base model lancer.

if it is stop posting, ....jk

[shadowiix]

what about the new 370z, mustang gt, the new camaro, lots of cars to choose from. but i just feel at home with my 128i

[gtaday51]

I saw a 370Z the other day. It was ugly. I don't usually say that about cars. but this Z was ugly.

[BMW86]

This is a good match up. I don't know enough about both cars but I'm sure the Ralliart would take the 128i on track. I think the new Ralliart has the same engine as the Evo 9 but it's been detuned.

[Andrew@ET]

the new ralliart is a single turbo detuned

[1ntense_Rocket]

The new 2009 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart

237HP
AWD
Curb Weight - SST1,570 kg / 3,462 lbs

[Andrew@ET]

even though the hp is close i think on the high way it will eat 1/3 28's alive with its tq

[1ntense_Rocket]

how about from a dig?

[WeekendWarrior]

a dig would go to the (obvious) lancer with its all wheel drive.

[Nixon]

Does the 128i have an auto or a manual? The 128i manual would have a better chance against the SST transmission in the Ralliart.

The Ralliart has a traction advantage off the line, but since the horsepower/torque doesn't come on strong until higher RPM's, and since you can only get the Ralliart with the SST transmission (no 3000+ rpm clutch dumps), the Ralliart may bog off the line until the turbos can spool. So even though it has a traction advantage, it might not matter because there isn't enough power to take full advantage of the traction advantage.

On the other hand, the 128i isn't exactly traction limited on launch the same way the 135i is. So not having as much traction at launch might not be as much a disadvantage as if you were running an EVO vs. a 135i. It's sort of like how the 335Xi is quicker 0-60 than a 335i because of better traction, but a 328Xi dogs way behind the 328i because traction isn't the biggest factor in going from 0-60.

But why listen to me? I've never driven either of them. Go drive them both and report back.

[Yuzi]

128i for sure. If you're a girl, which car will u jump onto?

[1speedbike]

Considering comparable power and weight (Mitsu's about 100 pounds heavier I think), I think the 128 will still feel a little better to drive, and be more comfortable. The 128 will have more power at lower rpm though.. Hmm.. I'd still take the 128 if money was no object. The price difference would make me need to drive both (driven neither) to see if the extra money for the 128 does translate to more fun/better feel

[bigmicj]

In reference to an earlier post in this thread. I had the fortunate luck of running behind a new 370z on the 101 south in SoCal. Let's just say it wasn't too fast for my 128 to keep up with it and we were going well above the posted limit. (not that I condone such a thing)

[cholewski]

based on physical size and weight, shouldn't you be comparing the lancer to a 3er? And in that case, a 3 series is probably gonna win every single comparison except for price.

[Andrew@ET]

it all depends on the engine i guess we will see but dont look at the hp the srt-4 has 230 like the 328 and it owns after 40 mph

[bigslick82]

Originally Posted by Andrew@EMS

it all depends on the engine i guess we will see but dont look at the hp the srt-4 has 230 like the 328 and it owns after 40 mph

The 4b11 engine isn't the problem per se. It's the SST. The evo MR with the SST can hold up to 400 hp, while the GSR 5 speed can take more. The SST in the MR has 3 settings while the one in the Ralliart has only 2, so it might be different.

[Canexican]

Originally Posted by bigmicj

In reference to an earlier post in this thread. I had the fortunate luck of running behind a new 370z on the 101 south in SoCal. Let's just say it wasn't too fast for my 128 to keep up with it and we were going well above the posted limit. (not that I condone such a thing)

Dude, your car has 100 less hp than the 370Z. The 370Z and the 135i have nearly identical acceleration figures. So, let's just say that because your car "kept up" on a highway doesn't mean its even remotely as fast. If he was trying to lose you, he would have.

Originally Posted by BMW86

This is a good match up. I don't know enough about both cars but I'm sure the Ralliart would take the 128i on track. I think the new Ralliart has the same engine as the Evo 9 but it's been detuned.

In straight line performance, its going to come down to the driver. Both cars are mid-low 14 seconds and trap about 97mph. If you have a manual, you'd probably get to 60 a bit quicker than the SST-transmissioned Ralliart due to notoriously lazy engagement of the SST from low-no rpm.

On a track, I would take the Bimmer any day. The SST might have faster upshifts, but that doesn't make up for a less balanced chassis and crappy 215 width tires. The BMW is more of a drivers car than the Ralliart. Think of the Ralliart as more of a turbo'd lancer with the Evo IX AWD system than simply a detuned Evo X. The Ralliart doesn't have the Evo X's susspension, it doesn't have AYC (active yaw control), it doesn't have as large of a turbo or as aggressive of cams, and the battery is in the front verus the Evo X's rear creating even greater push in the corners. all day.

[rawbert54]

if your going to tune the car in any way, the mitsu will be easier to modify. the mitsu will build power sooner than the 128i. the 128i doesnt really build good power until almost 4000 rpm, but builds good speed from that point up till around 6300. the turbo in the mitsu comes on strong at around 2000 rpm, much sooner. when its power drops off however, the bmw is still gaining speed in the same gear. its a trade off.

The transmission on the mitsu is nicer. no question. its a double clutch, very quick with various modes of aggressiveness. ive read that bmw plans to move to a dual clutch system in the future with various models.

where the bmw wins hands down is luxury and quality. Bimmers are simply nicer cars. Bmw=luxury mitsu=(not luxury?)

i do want to say that horse power can matter less than people think. ive "out driven" other people in faster cars because they simply dont know what a car can do. unless your doing a straight line drag, the determining factor of most races comes down to driver prowess. (im not talking about some exagerated difference in horse power like 128i versus gallardo)

[lib]

Originally Posted by rawbert54

i do want to say that horse power can matter less than people think. ive "out driven" other people in faster cars because they simply dont know what a car can do. unless your doing a straight line drag, the determining factor of most races comes down to driver prowess. (im not talking about some exagerated difference in horse power like 128i versus gallardo)

^ This.

My first ever autocross I was consistently beating an e90 335i and an M Coupe around the course by a few seconds each run in a completely stock (runflats and all) 128i. The difference between an M Coupe and a 128i is a hell of a lot larger than the difference between a Lancer Ralliart and a 128i.

I'm also fairly certain I couldn't have gone much faster if I was driving the M Coupe - a lack of power was not the problem.

Someone on here once had a good quote from their BMW Performance Driving School Instructor; "If you can't go fast with 200hp, another 100 won't help"

[Dave]

if you are modding go with the mitsu for cheap easy power

for smooth reliable power delivery go with the 128

also interior is like diff worlds... the 128 wins hands down

[Dave]

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