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      05-20-2020, 09:27 AM   #1
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Is a 100% stock car of more value then even lightly modded car?

I'm curious what the group thinks. I have a VO totally stock car that I picked up in Munich and have all the paper work and goodies for. It's at 11,000 miles and I'm curious if modding it would bring the value down.

Please don't blast me, I'm just curious after reading some other posts about modded cars and Canadian cars.
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A car like the 1M? Yes. I think it does devalue it. Mods that don't 'change' the car like wheels won't, because they're easy to change. Any engine mods or suspension mods likely hurt the value, IMO.
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Mine was bought new by me, has 58k miles, is moderately modded, and is a track toy. It is used as intended. If I sold it (I won't), I would get a little under original MSRP. Not too shabby 9 years and a million smiles later. I could have parked it and babied it and it would be worth 10-20k more, but I would still be 9 years closer to the grave and would have had much less fun.

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Mine was bought new by me, has 58k miles, is moderately modded, and is a track toy. It is used as intended. If I sold it (I won't), I would get a little under original MSRP. Not too shabby 9 years and a million smiles later. I could have parked it and babied it and it would be worth 10-20k more, but I would still be 9 years closer to the grave and would have had much less fun.

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Yep, and I'd do the same if I didn't have a race car. I get tons of smiles out of mine too.

The question isn't as much about miles or use, it's about mods. And I'm not trying to raise mine by lieing others. Like I said I'm just curious.

I've never been one to modify my vehicles. My Jeep Wrangler sure, a lift, bumpers etc. but not my cars.
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      05-20-2020, 10:24 AM   #5
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I modified my 1m, but only with very selective quality parts and no customize (plug and play).
But yes fully stock cars will have more values these days.
unless its like akrapovic.. it's probably the only thing that can add some value towards the car.
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If it has a good exhaust, I think it adds value. This car needs an after-market exhaust. When I bought mine, it took some time to source an Akrapovic exhaust and it was expensive.....so anyone buying a 1M if it has a good after-market exhaust take that into consideration.
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      05-20-2020, 01:42 PM   #7
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I'm curious what the group thinks. I have a VO totally stock car that I picked up in Munich and have all the paper work and goodies for. It's at 11,000 miles and I'm curious if modding it would bring the value down.

Please don't blast me, I'm just curious after reading some other posts about modded cars and Canadian cars.
I strongly believe that stock car will appeal to more people and make it more desirable. I always cringe at the tastefully modified which to me means to the owners taste not mine. For the broadest target audience hence most desirability yes a stock car is best. Even things like a KN filter can turn me off especially if used for many years. People don't realize how much more crap these filters let in especially if not optimally maintained. So if I was buying a car that ran KN filter for 20 years and equal stock car that ran Mann paper filters I would lean that way. There a few mods that might add desirability for example the factory ZKW Xenons on ZHPs are garbage. If they were replaced with the AL metal reflector units which is about a $1500-1800 swap that would add value but these mods only add value if they address a true serious shortcoming like the headlights and even then they only add value if the are the OE equivalent ones that came on non ZHP cars and look identical. Maybe something like an intermediate shaft bearing replacement on an early Cayman would add value because a failure there destroys the motor. So there are some mods that help value but by and large stock is the best option in my humble opinion.
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Always depends on the buyer. There are two camps, one that buys strictly OEM material, and the other that does not care. Since these cars are/were modified (other than temporary cosmetic, like a spoiler) quite a bit, the number of OEM cars, and low mile/very low mile OEM cars is low. Based on supply and demand, those who want OEM will then have to pay more.
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Always depends on the buyer. There are two camps, one that buys strictly OEM material, and the other that does not care. Since these cars are/were modified (other than temporary cosmetic, like a spoiler) quite a bit, the number of OEM cars, and low mile/very low mile OEM cars is low. Based on supply and demand, those who want OEM will then have to pay more.
I completely agree especially the two camps but I wonder if the camp that prefers stock will Not buy a modified car whereas someone that prefers modified would buy a stock car and modify it themselves. What do you think numbers-wise? I know there will be guys that only want modified but I think the question is about numbers and averages. Thanks
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      05-21-2020, 05:56 PM   #10
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I completely agree especially the two camps but I wonder if the camp that prefers stock will Not buy a modified car whereas someone that prefers modified would buy a stock car and modify it themselves. What do you think numbers-wise? I know there will be guys that only want modified but I think the question is about numbers and averages. Thanks
I’m in the buy stock and then modify it group.

I will say that the modifications I have done and will be doing are mild and reversible, I won’t be welding to or cutting into the car. I’ll always want to be able to go back to 100% stock.
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In my opinion the two must have mods that I think add value are performance seats and Akrapovic exhaust, they really do make a significant difference to the driving experience of the car and I would pay a premium for a car that had them.
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I think I am the only person who doesn't think the akra is good on the 1M. I like doing light mods but prefer to buy stock and then modify because chances are I don't have the same taste as the previous owner. But if I was in the market and the previous owner had full history and the mod I was already going to purchase than its a win-win situation in my book.
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I think I am the only person who doesn't think the akra is good on the 1M. I like doing light mods but prefer to buy stock and then modify because chances are I don't have the same taste as the previous owner. But if I was in the market and the previous owner had full history and the mod I was already going to purchase than its a win-win situation in my book.
Nah add me in. Don't like the Akra sound either but it would add value to some. If the OPs question is add value on average I still think stock appeals to a much broader audience because both stock and modders would be interested in a stock car whereas many in the stock camp would not want a modified car. That is why I laugh when I see tastefully modified really means fully modified to the owners taste not mine.
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I think I am the only person who doesn't think the akra is good on the 1M. I like doing light mods but prefer to buy stock and then modify because chances are I don't have the same taste as the previous owner. But if I was in the market and the previous owner had full history and the mod I was already going to purchase than its a win-win situation in my book.
You're not alone, I don't like the sound of the Akra either, in fact it wouldn't stop me from buying one if all else was stock, but I'd take the axle back off for my own taste.

And yes, I think for the car the 1M is, it will be more attractive being a stock example. I would also expect some, like me, feel like the mods say something about how the car was treated. Square setup with camber plates and owner says no track kms...... dunno..
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hard to say really... with rare cars like the 1M, eventually there is a buyer for them. How much they are willing to buy it for is really when you find out what its worth. that being said, I do think OE with little to no miles and kept factory fresh is always going to be worth the most.... BUT you pay for that. By not driving it and basically sinking your money into something you are no enjoying. So unless you buy 2 1Ms.... one to keep stored and the other to drive, you are wasting your money. Go invest in the stock market instead if $$$$$s is what you value. I think what these cars deliver in driving pleasure is the great equalizer in the equation.
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I think I am the only person who doesn't think the akra is good on the 1M. I like doing light mods but prefer to buy stock and then modify because chances are I don't have the same taste as the previous owner. But if I was in the market and the previous owner had full history and the mod I was already going to purchase than its a win-win situation in my book.
I don't like the sound of the full Akrapovic exhaust either.
My car has the Akra back box with sound kit , n55 mid pipe and standard primary cats which I find adds a welcome bit of bass without adding drone but also not too raspy but understand they are not for everyone.
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No good answer to this question - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Bottom line is we have an awesome machine stock or modded “tastefully” - lol
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No good answer to this question - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Bottom line is we have an awesome machine stock or modded “tastefully” - lol
You are right, we have an awesome machine.

I would take a 1M with the size/weight/steering feel and mod it to what you like because you can not mod the above into newer cars.
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I personally bought a car that had 2mods on it, aftermarket downpipe and coilovers. I bought new OEM suspension and catted downpipes even before i took delivery of the car. The modified cars dont seem to fetch the same prices of stock/unmodified cars.

If i had the money to buy another 1M, the only option i would want are the M performance Seats and it must be completely stock!
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Nah add me in. Don't like the Akra sound either but it would add value to some. If the OPs question is add value on average I still think stock appeals to a much broader audience because both stock and modders would be interested in a stock car whereas many in the stock camp would not want a modified car. That is why I laugh when I see tastefully modified really means fully modified to the owners taste not mine.
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Looks like there could be Danger to Manifold...
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Looks like there could be Danger to Manifold...
I know someone who bought that thing, thinking that it could be returned back to normalcy. In the interest of not embarrassing this person in a public forum, I will not identify him or her.
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