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03-18-2009, 08:52 AM | #23 |
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if you want to save fuel and drive like grandad or grandma then whats the problem. If youy want to drive like a beast possessed and have lots of fun, stick it in "sport" and thrash the crap out of it........I don't understand your problem really. It has 7 gears, 6 forward and one reverse. 1st gear isn't needed when driving gently, but when you want to drive hard it will be used. sorry I don't get it ???? quite a few autos already do exactly this.
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The needing to speed away from a collision point is valid, but that is NOT 99.99% of the time, if even 100% of the time the user will be in the car. Given such low probabilities, and the likelihood that the 135i starting in 2nd gear is as fast as most "normal" cars starting in 1st gear, I doubt there is a bg issue... |
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03-18-2009, 09:03 AM | #25 |
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Ummm...the car downshifts to first if your standing still for like 5 seconds. So get used to it because its what happens. And its not like the car doesn't have six gears. Its called accelerate smoothly then the lag you said(this is the engine lugging) won't happen. If it means that much to you hit the paddle forward. The car goes into first, stays in D, and all are happy.
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03-18-2009, 09:16 AM | #26 | |
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That has been my experience with mine. Gill
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03-18-2009, 09:19 AM | #27 |
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Hey, man... just so you know... I was only joking with you,, "the new guy" when I said you might think you've got eight toes cause you don't use the two little ones very much. Wasn't trying to be rude and I understood your post as you intended it.
Anyway, welcome to the board and I hope you love your car. TM
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03-18-2009, 09:52 AM | #28 |
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You buy a car with an automatic, and complain that it doesn't respond as quick as you think a sports car should. Why didn't you test drive the car before hand? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be complaining about the steptronic transmission in general, and not implying that yours is faulty. I've driven a steptronic before and it seemed just like any other auto with faster shifts...the transmission was designed to start in 2nd with normal driving to save gas and tires, and create a smoother acceleration in city traffic.
You can't expect to come onto a forum and bash the car and compare it to a domestic piece of crap, and get intelligent or friendly responses. If it really worries you that much, go to the dealer and drive another car with the same transmission and educate yourself further on BMW's technologies and features. You can't blame the car just because you don't understand it...well you can, but... If anything blame the salesperson for "misleading" you. |
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03-18-2009, 10:06 AM | #29 |
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Hey, I didn't know about auto starting on 2nd gear either so this is new to me. I have a manual. So you guys are saying I can start on 2nd at a complete stop for a smoother ride and this won't hurt the engine?
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03-18-2009, 10:08 AM | #30 |
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To all with the "M" wheel, if you want first, you simply click the paddle. It swaps to Manual mode into 1st gear. One teeny tiny quick simple pathetically easy 1/2 inch physical motion. After that, if you don't want to touch it, you don't have to. At redline, it shifts for you, and if you get to 6th and don't touch anything, after 30 seconds or so it converts back to plain "D" drive. WOW, that was difficult. Nuff said.
Gill@TireRack, were you on FocalJet Forum? Your name sounds familiar?
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On AT, it is set to 2nd, and of course AT's have a bit of slip built in so the stress is covered.
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03-18-2009, 10:21 AM | #32 |
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Not me. One of my cohorts, no doubt.
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03-18-2009, 10:26 AM | #33 |
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I sometimes start in 2nd with my 6MT when on a downward slope or on level ground...it doesn't seem to put any more stress on the car considering the N54's torque output. I don't do it all the time, just depending on traffic and terrain.
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03-18-2009, 10:27 AM | #34 |
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Oh, ok. Yes, Tirerack.com has a major presence, they are always commenting in those forums, and I am glad they do.
I am a BIG fan of Tirerack.com! Only set of tires I bought of the last 5 or so, I only got local because they matched your price which saved me the $35 shipping. But other than that, you guys have the best selection and pricing.
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03-18-2009, 10:30 AM | #35 |
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"So you guys are saying I can start on 2nd at a complete stop for a smoother ride and this won't hurt the engine?"
Sure can. Actually - with the MT you can start in 3rd if you work with it. And have some patience ... |
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03-18-2009, 10:31 AM | #36 |
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I had to start in 3rd in the snow a few times to get off from a stop.
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You're increasing wear and tear on your clutch for no good reason starting in second or third...espeically in third! The N54 has good torque, but it also does have turbo lag before that torque as available. You're slipping the clutch much more than you need to to take off in higher gears. Second isn't too bad, but using third is just asking for early clutch replacement. The torque converter in an automatic transmission makes taking off in second gear entirely different in their case. You have a fluid coupling that converts the slippage to heat, which it is designed to absorb without damage. |
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There's also a pretty good chance that 2nd gear in the automatic is a lower (and easier) gear than the 2nd gear in the manual. As I said, if someone has the time to post the comps between both trannies, we'll get a better look at the reality of the differences between the gear ratios of the AT and the MT. TM
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I do think, howver, that the OP raises one valid point - the manual does not adequately describe the behavior and control of the Steptronic. Glad I have a MT! Tom |
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03-18-2009, 12:01 PM | #42 |
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my mom's mercedes does this, my dad's cayenne S does this, and my sister's audi does this...
it's very normal for automatics to start in 2nd. and no, none of those car companies told us that the automatics did that, because it doesn't matter. i used to drive my dad's old manual transmission porsche starting in 2nd sometimes. it was completely fine. |
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"You're increasing wear and tear on your clutch for no good reason starting in second or third...especially in third!"
Uh, yeah. Of course. I wasn't recommending it - just stating the possible. |
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