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      11-10-2019, 11:09 AM   #23
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My point was simply that, compared to the 135is upgrades, it seems there’s a little more to differentiate the M2 CS from the M2 C, since we’re talking lots of carbon fibre and the adaptive suspension. I guess we’ll see.
I have adaptive suspension on my VW Golf R.

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I have adaptive suspension on my VW Golf R.

Meh.
I'm simply saying that 135is is not a good point of comparison, as it was just some bunch of port installed options with a badge slapped on. I'm not interested in the M2 CS, and I also don't care about adaptive suspension, but it's a little more involved of an upgrade than the 135is was, even if it's essentially just a lot of carbon fiber, an exhaust, a tune and a suspension upgrade.
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I'm simply saying that 135is is not a good point of comparison, as it was just some bunch of port installed options with a badge slapped on. I'm not interested in the M2 CS, and I also don't care about adaptive suspension, but it's a little more involved of an upgrade than the 135is was, even if it's essentially just a lot of carbon fiber, an exhaust, a tune and a suspension upgrade.
It's not a whole new car, which is what they would have to produce in order for anyone to give a shit about it 10 years from now.

If BMW was really interested in producing a special and collectible car (which I doubt), rather than an overpriced glitzmobile, they'd make a car that would appeal to their (now-departing) fan base. Here are the specs:

(1) 4 door, hatchback, or coupe;
(2) small and light;
(3) minimal intrusiveness from electronics, nannies, nav display, etc.;
(4) roughly 300 hp; that's enough;
(5) RWD;
(6) manual transmission at least offered;
(7) hydraulic steering or vastly improved EPS with real road feel.
(8) performance interior rather than luxury glitz;
(9) MSRP of $45 or $50K
(10) No "M" badges everywhere

This hypothetical car would bring people into the showroom, whether or not they bought this car. It would also retain some "drivers' car personna" within the brand, which is now just about entirely gone from the line.
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It's not a whole new car, which is what they would have to produce in order for anyone to give a shit about it 10 years from now.

If BMW was really interested in producing a special and collectible car (which I doubt), rather than an overpriced glitzmobile, they'd make a car that would appeal to their (now-departing) fan base. Here are the specs:

(1) 4 door, hatchback, or coupe;
(2) small and light;
(3) minimal intrusiveness from electronics, nannies, nav display, etc.;
(4) roughly 300 hp; that's enough;
(5) RWD;
(6) manual transmission at least offered;
(7) hydraulic steering or vastly improved EPS with real road feel.
(8) performance interior rather than luxury glitz;
(9) MSRP of $45 or $50K
(10) No "M" badges everywhere

This hypothetical car would bring people into the showroom, whether or not they bought this car. It would also retain some "drivers' car personna" within the brand, which is now just about entirely gone from the line.

I certainly agree, personally, but I thought the same thing about the E46 M3 CSL, with its awful transmission, yet people fawn over that car these days. When everything is hybrid/electric in 10-20 years, people will probably do the same over this new limited run CS, for better or worse.
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