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      12-18-2017, 10:07 PM   #23
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And why did they play so long under him?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1561856-how-free-agency-changed-the-nfl-forever.amp.html
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I mean I think tbis stuff is common knowledge but perhaps not. Next we will hear about 11 deflated balls or whatever bullshit.

Same people bitching probably think it was ok for Clinton to destroy electric devices with hammers.
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would BB have been so good w/o TB?
Or it could be argued would TB have been so good without BB?

Look at how many players have over achieved under him and developed into great players.

Do you think TB would have the same career if he was drafted by one of the 6 teams that drafted QBs before he was drafted by the Pats?
Jets
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Saints
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Maybe with the Steelers he would have put up some decent stats.
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The BB TB argument could go on forever. Personally I think BB has the ability to make ok players great in his system. He has ton it time and time again. The same goes for TB. Part of that is also putting the correct surrounding cast around TB so he can play to his strengths(a pocket passer who is understands and can read defenses).

BB grabs guys at the end of their career and gets great performance out of them for a year or two and knows exactly when to get rid of them. He has done this time and time again. Even plays who are only mediocre on a team and they get released he will scoop them up and suddenly they are a key player in our offense/defense/special teams. Same with letting players go when they have been on the team 8 years(vince wilfork). The second players leave the Patriots they NEVER seem to do that good. Certainly not as good as when they were playing for the pats in the system.

I can't think of any coach who has done this as well and as consistently as BB. What the patriots have done is not supposed to be possible under free agency. Period. This is not supposed to be possible or happen. Teams are 'supposed' to get built up but not be able to sustain year after year performance like they have. Most teams have peaks and valleys in their performance. The patriots do not.

When all is said and done I think both are going to be considered the GOATs in the NFL since free agency. I don't see anyone would disagree. Some people claim they need to win a SB away from each other to cement them in history and maybe that is the case but I don't buy it. SB wins are hard enough and rare enough that what already has been done is unheard of.
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Fact - Brady wasnít great and they(B.B./Kraft) didnít think he was great. But they saw something so they took a chance. Not much to lose with a 6th rounder if it doesnít work out. Brady worked his way to Greatness. Watch the ďBrady SixĒ
Totally agree. Brady stepped in and the Pats had an awesome year with a first year QB - took a small step back the next season - but after that never less than 10 wins a year.

I don't care how great your coach is or your QB it's nearly impossible to have the run that NE has had. Again, I hate the SOBs bc they beat the Bills game in and game out but it's fairly easy to argue each is the best at their position.

Now that I got the nice-ies out of the way- Buffalo needs to shock the heck out of them and pull out a win this week!!!
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      12-19-2017, 08:25 PM   #28
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Totally agree. Brady stepped in and the Pats had an awesome year with a first year QB - took a small step back the next season - but after that never less than 10 wins a year.

I don't care how great your coach is or your QB it's nearly impossible to have the run that NE has had. Again, I hate the SOBs bc they beat the Bills game in and game out but it's fairly easy to argue each is the best at their position.

Now that I got the nice-ies out of the way- Buffalo needs to shock the heck out of them and pull out a win this week!!!
It has been a hell of a run, but all things must come to an end. When will that be???? Who knows???? The Pats were awful for a lot of years. This shows what the right Owner Coaches Players and Staff can accomplish!!!! Thanks for the acknowledgment Habs11. For the record I donít hate the Bills, I actually like TMobil!!! Just not this weekend!! Haaaa. See you Sunday 😛
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GOAT or not...I lived in Boston for 36 years and what this franchise has done is freaking remarkable
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GOAT or not...I lived in Boston for 36 years and what this franchise has done is freaking remarkable
Think about all the marriages Brady and Bill have saved in New England over their run
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Think about all the marriages Brady and Bill have saved in New England over their run
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Simple answer no.
Seems like most people only have a memory back to 2000.

Hmmm,
All time winning percentage .738
6 Time World Champion
Trophy is named after him

GOAT = Vince Lombardi
and I'll add only ONE postseason defeat.

Vince Lombardi
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Ask any football expert who does not have a bias against the Patriots for their dominating success over the past 16 years who the greatest coach of all time is and the answer will unanimously be Bill Belichick. It is absolutely a completely different game than when Lombardi coached. Look at the stats, let them soak in, and try to calm the hate.
I've seen several documentaries on Vince and read 2 books on him. Vince could coach in any era. It was his approach to the game / life / excellence.
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and I'll add only ONE postseason defeat.

Vince Lombardi
Hereís another....


Belichick and Brady 5 Championships over 17 years and the fans call it a dynasty.

Thatís cute....

Lombardi and Starr
5 in 7 years, now thatís a dynasty.
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Vince Lombardi took a 1-10-1 team and in 2 years had them playing for the NFL Championship. It was his one and only postseason defeat in that title game. After the game Bart Starr said that Lombardi told them that ,,, that would never happen again.
And it didn't. Interesting debate.
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Being a Pats fan since they were terrible, it has been an enjoyable run. But there is a difference in being dominant in the pre free agency era and after in the free agency era. I think we all know how hard it is just to get to the SB and be a legit contender each season. The Pats have done that consistently better then anyone else.

This last SB stung, and I did sense a kink in their armor. Honestly I think it hurt B.B. a bit more then Brady. Some very questionable decisions on the defensive side of the ball. Brady did his part.

What is in store for the Pats this off season will be interesting, things have already gotten spicy. But with JM staying the offense will pick up right were it left off. Itís the defense which needs reworking. We shall see. Contenders again? Absolutely!
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Being a Pats fan since they were terrible, it has been an enjoyable run. But there is a difference in being dominant in the pre free agency era and after in the free agency era. I think we all know how hard it is just to get to the SB and be a legit contender each season. The Pats have done that consistently better then anyone else.

This last SB stung, and I did sense a kink in their armor. Honestly I think it hurt B.B. a bit more then Brady. Some very questionable decisions on the defensive side of the ball. Brady did his part.

What is in store for the Pats this off season will be interesting, things have already gotten spicy. But with JM staying the offense will pick up right were it left off. It’s the defense which needs reworking. We shall see. Contenders again? Absolutely!
Might be a SB rematch. And the Eagles will have Carson Wentz under center.
Was interesting when the line came out for this SB. It started at 6.. and went down to 4 1/2.

If Carson Wentz was playing it would have been a pick.
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Jeez guys get a life football season is over.

On to the NBA and college hoops!
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Jeez guys get a life football season is over.

On to the NBA and college hoops!
Football season is never over! Combine...free agency...OTAs....Mini Camp...do I need to go on? Haaaa
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Jeez guys get a life football season is over.

On to the NBA and college hoops!
Football season is never over! Combine...free agency...OTAs....Mini Camp...do I need to go on? Haaaa
NBA is a joke now
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NBA is a joke now
This is one of the best seasons in years. The East is wide open and although GS is still the favorite out West, they've had the most competition there's been in years.

This is one of the least "predictable" seasons in years.
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This is one of the best seasons in years. The East is wide open and although GS is still the favorite out West, they've had the most competition there's been in years.

This is one of the least "predictable" seasons in years.
It is in Philadelphia with Joel Embid.
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It is in Philadelphia with Joel Embid.
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