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Btw, I could believe that the avg. millionaire owns/owned an F-150. My Dad is one and he's owned 3. But there is no way he would pick an 135i over an E92 M3. In fact he dosent even like the fact that a 1 series is coming.(he's an e46 owner)
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No reason to respond. A fleet of M3's? lol...absurd.
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And yes--I would rather have an E92 M3 than my E92 328i, just as I would rather have an M1 over a 135i. If the M failed to deliver, then of course that opinion might change. But I have yet to see an M version bow down to a regular BMW--and I am willing to bet that the E92 M3 and the possible M1 would follow suit. I truly believe many people seek out others on these internet forums for the wrong reasons--aka to justify whatever purchase they have made. If I had chosen to do that, I would not have been on E90post very long--where many consider the average 328i owner to be a complete moron. :biggrin:
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I never claimed an *35i is better than M. My stance all along has been I won't take a ///M car regardless how it performs. If the M3 gets better reviews from owners in UK after delivery I might hop back on that list.
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similar argument...
Similar arguments have been made for ages in the honda forums...
Why should I buy a Type R when I can add a turbo to my <fill in the blank> and destroy your Type R??? :iono: WHY buy this when............. This is MUCH FASTER and BETTER LOOKING!! Here at 1addicts.com we have: Why should I buy a M1 when my 135i with PROCEED v1.2.3.4, LSD, down pipe, aftermarkget carbon hood, aftermarket carbon roof, aftermarket carbon seats, light weight battery, and glittering Green PAINT is <fill in comment here.> |
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it is ignorant to consider the people who would buy an ///M car just because it has an M badge worthy of any type of discussion. and i think it is safe to say none of them are here. and those of us here would never do so without (say in the case of the M1) at least test driving the 135i.
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I think the major problem between the regular models and the ///M models is that there isn't THAT big of a difference anymore. Twenty years ago, there was major distinction between the regular E30 and the E30 M3. Visually the M3 looked the part. It had the engine to back it up, and the numbers on the track to prove it. Same thing with the E39 M5, E36 M3, E46 M3, and E60 M5.
Then a few years ago, the E90/92 comes into play. Granted, a stock 335i probably won't have the numbers to go head to head with the new M3. Visually, they look very similar, though almost every panel on the M3 is different. The point I'm trying to make is that technology has made such advances and competitors are offering higher end products similar to BMW. Take the RS4. 6 year ago, no one would have guessed the new M3 would come with a 4.0L V8 (as much as the BMW PTG ALMS team wanted one). Meanwhile, BMW has continued to improve on the "base" models, almost making it necessary to equip the M3 with a V8. At this point, the only thing that can be compared is the feedback of the car with the driver. My E36 M3 was my first BMW. I drove it once and instantly fell in love. I've driven a friend's E46 323Ci, and my dad's E46 330Ci (auto), but I have never really pushed them to the limit. The steering feel on my friend's 323Ci was nice, but the steering felt way too light compared to my M3. The 323Ci also had 255/35R18 tires, and my M3 has 235/40R18's. If anything I was hoping the steering would be heavier on the 323 just from the tire size alone. Are the current BMWs the same way, with their light, very easy steering feel? I wish I could offer more insight past this, but I cannot. Is light steering enough to make me not buy a 135i? No, not even close. If the electric steering is anything like my wife's Mini Cooper, I will be happy. However, if the M1 is made, and it feels as good or better then my M3, I will have to think long and hard before I make a choice.
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This is not similar and here is the reason why. You are modifying a car. If you take a stock M1 and a stock 135 and the 135 wins, youll have a lot of expectations of an M crushed. Now youre talking a stock type r against a boost 4 banger. The type R doesnt stand a chance. Stock to Stock vs Stock to Modified arent even appropriate classifications. Its not fair when it all comes down to it. Heres a given situation, if there ever is a production M1 and car and driver does another VIR race with a 135, I would be very disappointed to see a 1.xx second quicker 135 over an M1. It wouldnt stop me from buying the M1 completely, but it would definitely make me reconsider. |
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do all the boosting your want to the 135i and have a race with taz's e46 m3 =]...its such a waste of time to even bother comparing a car now and one that came out 7 years ago. if u want a cheap and fast car, get the evo, sti, srt4, but its still no M. even though my next car is going to be the 135i, i still wish i had an e46 m3...such a beauty...sigh...
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Rob, that's cool dude. I love the 135i so far from what I've seen/read. Mine is already ordered and I'll be driving it come Dec. Would I have dropped the E92 M for it? No way! When people say stuff like this I just find it hard to believe. I would understand if you said you've decided to get a GTR, RS4/5, Carrera, C63, Cayman S, but a 135i??????? Man, I have a real tough time believing that. And stop making car buying decisions on what the media says. Drive it 1st!!! |
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So back on to the topic
Here is a quote from Car Magazine UK "The 135i will be a very tasty car, but that’s as tasty as it will get. BMW has categorically ruled out a hotter Motorsport version, probably because it would pose a badging problem (the M1 holds a very special place in Munich’s heart) and it would also step on the toes of the M3." http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/first_o...sid=826&page=5
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I said a long time ago in some old post, I think an M1 with dual exhausts integrated into the rear diffuser/bumper (on either side of the cutout) would be . I hope they're listening. |
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I think it would be hard to put a deposit down on one of these cars before being able to actually see and drive it. I know the practice is pretty common, in fact I did the same thing with my E92. The difference was, that I had a frame of reference--I could test drive E46 coupes and E90 sedans, giving me an idea of where the E92 would stand.
Bust since the 1er has never been over here in the US, you are going to have a tough time getting an idea of exactly how it is going to drive and feel. And satisfaction with the look of a car can never be achieved, IMO, until you see it in person. Just an observation.
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I agree with you on the 135 vs M1 in that case as long as its a return to true M-"acy". Hes still a mystery man to me. Im not trying to call his bluff, but I could say that I am from Munich and post a bunch of blarbs, making it look like I work for BMW and really be living a lie. No one would know... Theres no reason why he cant just say, "yeah I work for BMW, but thats all you get". Though I guess that could be a lie too. I dont know.... Theres lots of propaganda on the internet, so Im apt to not believe much. |
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For some reason my post got sent to page 7... weird, but I still dont buy the "inside" source. People are good at practicing propaganda online.
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