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      02-19-2010, 03:00 PM   #89
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The 2010 GT with Track Pack had a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds, 60-0 distance of 107 ft, and .93 g on the skidpad. Add another 100 hp, much bigger brakes and better suspension/tires and those numbers should improve quite a bit. I would say the GT 5.0 will give the M1 all it wants whether at the dragstrip or the road course. Nate


people love to dog on the mustang's rear axle and the vette's leaf springs... WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE about them...

fact is on a smooth track, an IRS suspension wont have that much of an advantage if at all...

also note that the 2011 5.0 GT comes stock with LSD so we're NOT talking about some horse carriage suspension here...

ALSO since the mustang has such a huge following, there will be PLENTY of aftermarket parts to make it better. add coilovers, watts link, and stiffer antirolls and you have one serious contender...

stop bashing and start reading up on just wtf you're bashing to begin with...
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Pretty comical reading people argue about a car thats not even made yet and how much better its going to be than another which isnt made yet.
It cracks me up too.
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Put the stang and M1 on a road course! The M1 will be in a class of it's own there will be no comparison.
I have a feeling some people are going to be dissapointed with how potent the 2011 stangs will be. And if Ford make a Boss 302? I personally can't wait for some magazine comparisons. My two dream cars that I can't decide between don't even exist yet. If the M1 turns out to be everything we expect it to be, I will have one in my driveway . . . but those that write the stang off as a chump car are in for a rude awakening.
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fact is on a smooth track, an IRS suspension wont have that much of an advantage if at all...
Only if the car with live rear axle has incredibly stiff springs and swaybars (undrivably stiff for the street) to reduce the impact of zero degrees camber.
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      02-20-2010, 05:49 PM   #93
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Put the stang and M1 on a road course! The M1 will be in a class of it's own there will be no comparison.

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Only if the car with live rear axle has incredibly stiff springs and swaybars (undrivably stiff for the street) to reduce the impact of zero degrees camber.


See above post. Mustangs do just fine on the street, and haul ass on a smooth track.
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See above post. Mustangs do just fine on the street, and haul ass on a smooth track.
But are the tires toast after a single track day like my friend's?
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See above post. Mustangs do just fine on the street, and haul ass on a smooth track.
Welcome back Jeremy. Have a nice vacation?

Its good having another voice of reason who isnt in the Think everything American is subpar to German cars.
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Welcome back Jeremy.

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Welcome back Jeremy. Have a nice vacation?

Its good having another voice of reason who isnt in the Think everything American is subpar to German cars.
I'm on your side
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Its because a lot of BMW owners are housewives or business professionals and know little about cars other than BMW's are a status symbol in their own circles so that have to have one. But exotic car owners know cars, that's why they are willing to spend for a killer car and they know something different when they see one.
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But are the tires toast after a single track day like my friend's?
So now we've gone from "Mustangs suck on road courses" to "Mustangs have to be unstreetable to not suck on road courses" to Mustangs eat tires on road courses". Does that pretty much sum it up?
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So now we've gone from "Mustangs suck on road courses" to "Mustangs have to be unstreetable to not suck on road courses" to Mustangs eat tires on road courses". Does that pretty much sum it up?
That's what I was thinking too. LOL. It's the perfect example of "reaching."

Here is what CarandD had to say about their Long Term test 2008 BMW M3:

"That second sure thing happened to us as pseudo-owners, and after a handful of laps we’d obliterated the tread on the stock Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires. They simply can’t cope with the amount of heat generated by this 3600-pound thrill machine at its flaming limits."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...olt-ons_page_2
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Welcome back Jeremy. Have a nice vacation?

Its good having another voice of reason who isnt in the Think everything American is subpar to German cars.
I should be be saying thanks to you. haha. Ive been defending american cars for as long as ive been on these boards.
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None of that matters. It's how they feel.. the refinement and how they behave... not their track-tested times or exact performance figure..!

BMW's suspension speaks to you... it light feeling and balance makes the unthinkable, doable by sheer will/confidence. That DNA has it's grip on many of us here. Undeniable.


That^ level of refinement just won't find it's way into the Mustang line-up. Have some of you dismissed the $25,000 difference? Case-n-point: ask yourself why are you here? ...on a BMW message board.

It's because BMW speaks to you. So, please don't deny... that IRS doesn't matter.

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None of that matters. It's how they feel.. the refinement and how they behave... not their track-tested times or exact performance figure..!

BMW's suspension speaks to you... it light feeling and balance makes the unthinkable, doable by sheer will/confidence. That DNA has it's grip on many of us here. Undeniable.


That^ level of refinement just won't find it's way into the Mustang line-up. Have some of you dismissed the $25,000 difference? Case-n-point: ask yourself why are you here? ...on a BMW message board.

It's because BMW speaks to you. So, please don't deny... that IRS doesn't matter.
None of that matters to you. Being on a BMW board does not mean you can't enjoy other cars. I think most understand that the BMW will be more refined. We're fine with that and even love that. Is it wrong for us to love both? Are you saying you have never thrown out "numbers and track figures?" To many that is what matters. If I'm at a sporting event I don't give a flying fig what other guy is feeling. I just need to beat him. The BMW will need to outperform while feeling good. BMW has produced some duds. Look at the Cayman S vs Z4M. They had to give those cars away. It was barely competition.
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I should be be saying thanks to you. haha. Ive been defending american cars for as long as ive been on these boards.


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None of that matters. It's how they feel.. the refinement and how they behave... not their track-tested times or exact performance figure..!

BMW's suspension speaks to you... it light feeling and balance makes the unthinkable, doable by sheer will/confidence. That DNA has it's grip on many of us here. Undeniable.


That^ level of refinement just won't find it's way into the Mustang line-up. Have some of you dismissed the $25,000 difference? Case-n-point: ask yourself why are you here? ...on a BMW message board.

It's because BMW speaks to you. So, please don't deny... that IRS doesn't matter.
This is exactly the kind of elitist nonsense that gives some BMW owners a snobby reputation. When shown hard fact performance #'s stating that the car is not at the top of the heap the argument switches to "BMW speaks to you" diatribe. Why do you automatically assume that just because you think BMW is the only car worthy of communicating with the driver and American cars DNA isnt? I have a 610 HP Corvette and it speaks to me just fine thank you. And it does so in a much louder voice than a M3/5/6. Other people have cars that also communicate to their owners in a language that maybe you dont understand but thats no that gives you no right to look down your nose and deem them substandard just because you dont get it. Reminds me of a person who puts ketchup on a hot dog and calls others who use mustard on theirs "weird" and not worthy. Theres more to life that just what you like. Kind of childish behavior. Open your eyes man! Just because you dont get it doesnt mean others dont also. And I'm on a BMW board because I just bought a new 135, to join my Corvette. I like both cars. Guess that makes me bilingual.
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This is exactly the kind of elitist nonsense that gives some BMW owners a snobby reputation. When shown hard fact performance #'s stating that the car is not at the top of the heap the argument switches to "BMW speaks to you" diatribe. Why do you automatically assume that just because you think BMW is the only car worthy of communicating with the driver and American cars DNA isnt? I have a 610 HP Corvette and it speaks to me just fine thank you. And it does so in a much louder voice than a M3/5/6. Other people have cars that also communicate to their owners in a language that maybe you dont understand but thats no that gives you no right to look down your nose and deem them substandard just because you dont get it. Reminds me of a person who puts ketchup on a hot dog and calls others who use mustard on theirs "weird" and not worthy. Theres more to life that just what you like. Kind of childish behavior. Open your eyes man! Just because you dont get it doesnt mean others dont also. And I'm on a BMW board because I just bought a new 135, to join my Corvette. I like both cars. Guess that makes me bilingual.
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Case-n-point: ask yourself why are you here? ...on a BMW message board.
So, please don't deny... that IRS doesn't matter.
on a BMW board Discussing a Ford Mustang.

That's because a 5.0 "speaks to you" puleeeze !

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None of that matters to you. Being on a BMW board does not mean you can't enjoy other cars. I think most understand that the BMW will be more refined. We're fine with that and even love that. Is it wrong for us to love both? Are you saying you have never thrown out "numbers and track figures?" To many that is what matters. If I'm at a sporting event I don't give a flying fig what other guy is feeling. I just need to beat him. The BMW will need to outperform while feeling good. BMW has produced some duds. Look at the Cayman S vs Z4M. They had to give those cars away. It was barely competition.


No... I am saying that is thee difference. M1 vs something (like the Mustang). There is no conjecture or debate... that is why Mustang fans are here, because there is no doubt about what I've mentioned.

So even if you COMPARE.. there is no comparison because in the end, you either want to pay for that level of refinement, or your don't!
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I don't get this whole refinement issue... honestly I think it is driven into peoples heads that german cars > american cars no matter what when it comes to this... Christ I was in a cts-v the other day and that thing was much nicer than my 1'ers interior by far...

It is sad some people stereotype cars b/c of some of the past issues and can't admit when a car maker is finally making some steps forward...
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None of that matters. It's how they feel.. the refinement and how they behave... not their track-tested times or exact performance figure..!

BMW's suspension speaks to you... it light feeling and balance makes the unthinkable, doable by sheer will/confidence. That DNA has it's grip on many of us here. Undeniable.


That^ level of refinement just won't find it's way into the Mustang line-up. Have some of you dismissed the $25,000 difference? Case-n-point: ask yourself why are you here? ...on a BMW message board.

It's because BMW speaks to you. So, please don't deny... that IRS doesn't matter.
LOL surely this post is a joke!

first of all, numbers matter when you win and dont matter when you lose? riiiiiight...

secondly, refinement? since when are we talking about refinement? how obvious would it be to say the BMW is better because its more refined. i counter your ridiculous comparison with soul. the mustang's 5.0L has a sound and throatiness that NO bmw can match. sure the M3 sings at 8400 rpm BUT there is NO sound as visceral as an american V8... hows that for inane comparisons?

and like i said, IRS matters but NOT that much.
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Only if the car with live rear axle has incredibly stiff springs and swaybars (undrivably stiff for the street) to reduce the impact of zero degrees camber.
that's subjective. its like you buy the car with the track pack and all of a sudden you're dissappointed the car isnt soaking up bumps? i think people KNOW what they're getting themselves into, especially since the track pack has to be ordered BEFORE the car is made...

true about the camber but like i said, just HOW big an impact is the zero camber? the empirical data suggests it does mighty fine as is...
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