Automobile’s Amusing BMW 1M Coupe First Drive Video Review

[Slappymangooze]

And there we are, lost into the dct/manual argument, again...

[AZ865]

[QUOTE=uhn2000;9867529]You mean to say the skill of steering.. I consider driving to include rev matching, shifting, hand-eye coordination, and all those other wonderful things. All in good respect here, I just had to call this out.

No, what I mean is what you call "driving" is now obsolete.
You don't "rev matching, shifting, hand-eye coordination" anymore.
Try to listen to the car’s engine rev, feel the suspension, understand the brakes and so on, basically today’s Bimmers are advanced intelligent vehicles that can think for themselves. As a driver you need to be ONE with your BM.
Your Old way was to tame the beast into submission are long gone.

BMW
ONE with YOU

[d3l0n]

lol cool vid

[RC3]

excellent video

[warzilla]

Originally Posted by conradb

I own a 5-speed E30 and a DCT E92 M3. I have absolutely no regrets buying the DCT. The thing is an insane beast at high speeds (albeit it's kinda dumb putting around town). I took my E92 on the Nurburgring, and it was the most fun I've ever had on the track.

I'm going to be critical of this "review." There was no review to be had. This wannabe reviewer (see countless idiots on youtube trying to make a name for themselves) had nothing to really say beyond A) DCT drivers are apparently idiots, B) the 1M is a 135i with some M3 parts. This, honestly, is a terrible review of the 1M.

Drive what you want because you enjoy it. Asshats like this guy will pull the O'l No True Scotsman fallacious argument all day long because it makes them feel better about their purchase. Yes, we bought M3's. Your manual doesn't make it a better buy. Sorry. Buh bye.

+1

Thought he was spending more time on pooh-poohing on the M3/DCT thru-out the "review" and not really talking as much about the 1M - it was supposed to be a 1M review after all, right?

[SoCali E36]

[QUOTE=AZ865;9868818]

Originally Posted by uhn2000

You mean to say the skill of steering.. I consider driving to include rev matching, shifting, hand-eye coordination, and all those other wonderful things. All in good respect here, I just had to call this out.

No, what I mean is what you call "driving" is now obsolete.
You don't "rev matching, shifting, hand-eye coordination" anymore.
Try to listen to the car’s engine rev, feel the suspension, understand the brakes and so on, basically today’s Bimmers are advanced intelligent vehicles that can think for themselves. As a driver you need to be ONE with your BM.
Your Old way was to tame the beast into submission are long gone.

BMW
ONE with YOU

[gripenM]

entertaining...

both the vid and this thread

[techthentic]

Originally Posted by !mspinster

If you drive auto or manual or flappy clutch or whatever, as long you have fun and the car puts a smile on your face that is what matters.

You might as well call all F1 drivers posers since they drive semi-automatic sequential transmission.

Lets call Rubens Barrichello a poser too for owning a E60 M5 while we're at it.

F1 drivers need to turn in THE fastest lap time possible, their livelihood depends on it. From a team standpoint, to win, to have your driver get the fastest lap time possible, you need to have the least amount of human error possible. That combined with the fact that on any given lap of a F1 course, the cars require hundreds of shifts, you get the fact that you NEED the semi-automatic sequential transmissions.

A M5 is a big car, if he had a M3 or a 911, etc, in auto; then hell yeah I'd call him a poseur

[Robert]

Now if BMW puts that v8 in the 1M coupe, mated with a 6 speed, you will have something close to driving nirvanna

[techthentic]

Originally Posted by Definitive

Thank you for this.

Also please call anyone who owns a Ferrari Enzo, Challenge Stradale, 430 Scuderia, 458 Italia, NISSAN GT-R, McLaren MP4-12C and the Bugatti Veyron, a poser as well while your at it. All cars that dont even have a manual as an option...

Im sorry, but I like my POS that has an Automatic tranny, that can launch off the line way better than any of you MT guys could ever dream of doing. And its damn fun to do to!

I find that most people who say this type of shit, never even drove a DCT.



Now all you guys can go on bashing us M3 owners that opted for the upgraded racing transmission...

What takes more skill? Launching your pos with an auto, or launching whatever pos you have with a manual?

The cars you listed are in price ranges where the companies have deemed that the potential client base that CAN afford them, are in a age bracket that have decided to do away with operating a clutch; either they're too old, or they just want to drive relaxed. Majority of the owners of majority of the cars you listed buy them to show off, not to race or drive hard.

That and the between super/hyper cars is a fierce pissing contest on who can turn in the fastest lap times, ergo no manual. And to deliver on their claimed figures, they couldn't offer a manual, since who would have the balls to tell someone paying 6 figures for a car that they're not going as fast as advertised because they can't drive stick for shit.

[techthentic]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Ok, so F1 drivers need faster shifting tranny, but M owners don't? You are the one missing the damn point. M owners are driving enthusiasts, wanting to squeeze every juice out of their vehicle. They need faster shifting trannies, just as much as F1 drivers do. What difference is there?

Just because you aren't "racing", don't mean you must have 4 spd auto from back in 80s. Perhaps, many M owners actually do go to track or drive more aggressively (statistical hypothesis, in comparison to non-M owners), so why not the DCT?

"Manual gives you more feel" is honestly getting old. Double clutch auto trannies shift faster, rev matches better than any human beings, and is proven to be faster at the track (road and track test using two different Porsche + plenty of other sources providing evidence to this statement). Performance oriented auto trannies are even getting close to manual's weight and fuel efficiency. You gotta cope with new technologies and adopt to new environments. Otherwise, you will remain as an Analog in Digital world.

Don't get me wrong, I was a hardcore manual enthusiasts, and just like many other kids and manual lovers, I used to call people with auto trannies either pussies or non-car enthusiast. Simply put, I adopted to the changes over time and accepted scientific achievement. There no longer is point of manual transmission if you want to go fast. If you want to "enjoy" and crave more direct control, manual will satisfy you.

You want to squeeze every ounce of performance? So are you racing professionally on your spare time?

There is no argument that automatics are faster than manuals.
But there is also no argument that manuals take more skill to drive than automatics.

If you are not racing professionally, then opt-ing for the option that makes things easier is being a poseur, period.

If you want to go fast, buy a muscle car.
If you want to DRIVE fast, buy a sports car with a stick.

[SDSmurf]

I don't care one way or the other. I'm a lazy bugger who wants a brilliant fast car to use every day so I'll take an e90M3 dct thanks. Hell, I'd probably take the 1M in dct if it was offered too. He thinks I'm a poser? Who cares? Not me.
I thought the 'review' was funny as hell and relatively well done - good entertainment.

People generally should really lighten up.

[sbce90]

~0.39 onwards.. Is it just me or does he say "WITHOUT the clutch pedal"???

[eisenb11]

Originally Posted by techthentic

If you are not racing professionally, then opt-ing for the option that makes things easier is being a poseur, period.

I wish I lived in your black and white world. You can easily use similar logic to argue the reverse: if you're not racing professionally, then opting for the option that makes things harder is being a poser.

The simple truth is that unless you're getting a track-only car, any real world application of all that performance is illegal anyway... So who really cares who buys what transmission type? in that sense, everyone with a M3 or 1M who doesn't intend to track it is a poser too. That makes 99% of M owners are all posers apparently.

Or... You can accept that people buy these cars for different reasons. Each transmission type has distinct advantages and disadvantages. And that regardless of usage, it's nice to have a good car... And leave it at that.

If you want to DRIVE fast, buy a sports car with a stick.

Tell that to Lamboghini. The new Aventador super car is available only in automatic.

[SUBIMMER]

Bought a slightly used 2008 vw R32 a few years ago and i loved the transmission ( witch at the time was one of the slickest and quickest sequen. transmission available all makes confounded) ...... I liked it for about a day or two thats it!!!!!!! The car was great for long hauls but what i hate about autos is i you listen to really loud music you dont " feel"the car as much as in a manual. The back and forth sway of a manual is spot on engaging for me.

[Sylon]

Originally Posted by SBC

~0.39 onwards.. Is it just me or does he say "WITHOUT the clutch pedal"???

I caught that too.

[sbce90]

Originally Posted by Sylon

I caught that too.

Four pages of discussion and obviously nobody watched the video closely enough. Instead people just decided to go on another tranny b*tching session.

[Sylon]

Originally Posted by SBC

Four pages of discussion and obviously nobody watched the video closely enough. Instead people just decided to go on another tranny b*tching session.

Yeah, this thread turned lame pretty quick. I heard him say "without a clutch" and I was like "wait...what?!"

[adrean8j]

Yeah well we all know what the guy meant...doesn't mean that he doesn't have a point. I personally don't plan on ever buying another automatic "car" again. And why isn't this guy doing Top Gear USA????

[bavarian19]

Funny. Bagging DCT owners is kinda funny too.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by techthentic

You want to squeeze every ounce of performance? So are you racing professionally on your spare time?

There is no argument that automatics are faster than manuals.
But there is also no argument that manuals take more skill to drive than automatics.

If you are not racing professionally, then opt-ing for the option that makes things easier is being a poseur, period.

If you want to go fast, buy a muscle car.
If you want to DRIVE fast, buy a sports car with a stick.

You do realize everyone in this thread is counter-arguing your irrational statements, right?

You said,
1.if you aren't racing professionally, getting a DCT makes you a poser.
2.Muscle cars are the only option if you want to go fast.
3.If you want to drive fast, you gotta buy a manual.

[hwelvaar]

LOL... Nice vid. And LOL again about the M3 poser bashing.

It's so true. Like my cousin, who owns a M3 DCT individual, and drives 140 mph on the highway, loves to overtake Porsches, but doesn't want to take his car on a track day.

Ofcourse, not all M3 owners are posers. But there are.