1M or F80 M3

[ShocknAwe]

Easy choice, 1M for me. I daily drive a 135i, and for now it's my family's only car,. We manage well with it. I recently started shopping for a 1M. Hope I can find one within my price range and mileage/condition requirements soon!

FWIW I haven't driven the new S55 M3/4, only the S65 M3. The M3 felt way too big. I will echo the surgical precision mentioned by others and the excellent poise the car has. The S65 is AMAZING and I would love to have one on the 1 series wheelbase/weight. I feel it's just too impractical to do a job like that. That being said, I can't get past the size of the car, and the new gen is even bigger despite the exceptional weight savings. I really have a hard time knowing it's only 10 inches longer! It feels and looks like SO much more than that.

PS: Damn @IEDEI for doing this to me, I was only considering it until he bought his and started showing off...

[Sparks1M]

There is no doubt that the M3 is a better car - better build, technologically better, nicer interior, generally better performance stats, etc.

But - anyone who has even half an interest in cars should take the opportunity to own a 1M. It is raw and rough, it can rattle....and it will put a smile on your face in a way that the M3 cannot. You have to give it a go. Couple that with the lack of depreciation then you have nothing to lose and lots to gain.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Easy choice, 1M for me. I daily drive a 135i, and for now it's my family's only car,. We manage well with it. I recently started shopping for a 1M. Hope I can find one within my price range and mileage/condition requirements soon!


PS: Damn IEDEI for doing this to me, I was only considering it until he bought his and started showing off...

haha sorry!!!!!

Very excited for you, man!! you will 1000% NOT regret it, i promise you!

Here's the day i traded my beloved 135is in for the 1M. One of the best days ever!

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

haha sorry!!!!!

Very excited for you, man!! you will 1000% NOT regret it, i promise you!

Here's the day i traded my beloved 135is in for the 1M. One of the best days ever!

[IMG SNIPPED]

Bastard, feeding my sickness. It's not good for my health you know.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by S3RI35

....and that the '16 M2 will somehow reduced the perceived value of the 1M. Not sure that's really a point, but it is what it is.

My 2 cents...
I'm pretty sure the E30 did not drop in value when the E36 arrived on scene (The E36 being a superior car right?). So I always laugh when people say the M2 will cause the 1M to drop in value. Its not like the 1M is a "supercar" and the M2 will finally be the car that can blow its doors off. The 1M holds its value (and will continue to do so) because it is what it is - limited production, surprise wonder, incredibly fun to drive BMW (just like the E30). Just my thoughts anyway.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by JeffyD

Before I bought my 1M the other week, I took a look at my other options in a similar price bracket - ie. a Cayman (and S), the new M3 and M4, and etcetera, and a M235i as a preview of a M2.

The M3 and 4 were just so massive when I finally got to see them in person. I mean, it really took me by surprise. Driving them felt weird- the steering is precise, surgical in a way, but it still felt like I was piloting all of that footprint. Neither car hid any of their mass from the driver like a few big'uns can do.

The interiors were nice, and very swanky, but I don't really buy cars for posh cabins. I expect a certain level of creature comforts, but, beyond that personal threshold, ever nicer interiors really don't hold that much appeal for me. The 1series' insides are plenty nice for my taste.

So, I went with the 1M - all had great driving attributes, but the M coupes are always more interesting for me. And it wasn't so gargantuan.

Chip chip, Cherio.

Agree totally.
The posh cabin and large size belong to my daily driver , not my fun car.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by doug_999

My 2 cents...
I'm pretty sure the E30 did not drop in value when the E36 arrived on scene (The E36 being a superior car right?). So I always laugh when people say the M2 will cause the 1M to drop in value. Its not like the 1M is a "supercar" and the M2 will finally be the car that can blow its doors off. The 1M holds its value (and will continue to do so) because it is what it is - limited production, surprise wonder, incredibly fun to drive BMW (just like the E30). Just my thoughts anyway.

Haha! Indeed you are very correct, I continue to laugh at people who simply assume newer is better.

For the uninitiated, Check out the recent e30 m3s for sale on bring a trailer.com and compare those to an e36 or an e46.

One was a limited edition vehicle and The others are not. Their resale values show this.

[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Haha! Indeed you are very correct, I continue to laugh at people who simply assume newer is better.

For the uninitiated, Check out the recent e30 m3s for sale on bring a trailer.com and compare those to an e36 or an e46.

One was a limited edition vehicle and The others are not. Their resale values show this.

E30 M3's depreciated just like any other car. It took nearly 20 years before the depreciation stopped. In 1991, the dealers couldn't give away the M3. It took another 2 years to fully clear remaining US inventory. So the 1M is different in that regard because it appreciated in value in the US from the get go which is only due to the limited numbers.

The E30 M3 has its racing history to justify its appreciation and the 1M only has its limited numbers. It'll be interesting to see where the 1M winds up 20 years from now since the M2 is basically an improved 1M as opposed to the M3 going from race car (E30) to a GT (E36).

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

E30 M3's depreciated just like any other car. It took nearly 20 years before the depreciation stopped. In 1991, the dealers couldn't give away the M3. It took another 2 years to fully clear remaining US inventory. So the 1M is different in that regard because it appreciated in value in the US from the get go which is only due to the limited numbers.

The E30 M3 has its racing history to justify its appreciation and the 1M only has its limited numbers. It'll be interesting to see where the 1M winds up 20 years from now since the M2 is basically an improved 1M as opposed to the M3 going from race car (E30) to a GT (E36).

actually I was watching a YouTube interview with some M engineers the other day and they mentioned that the 1M was basically a road going version of the BMW 130 Racing they had developed to race at Nurburgring back in 2008/2009. Not exactly 'pedigree' but there is a link to racing in the 1M. I didn't know that til that video....

I don't think the M2 will affect 1M prices....the 1M is special due to the story, it's simplicity, and FUN. The M2 will never have a story like that and I can't imagine it could ever be as simple as the 1M.

[p66]

Exclusivity and rarity almost always trump mass production or "better". Especially when "better" is only marginal.

[Doctor///M]

Thanks you guys! Decision made - time to sell my car and join in the fun. Problem is selling the car.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

there is a link to racing in the 1M

The pictures of the BMW 1M Catalogue 2011 (international) feature a dude with a rather unusual 'outfit' and 'garden' for driving an urban/city road car.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attac...3&d=1329761100 (15 pages - 3.3 MB)
(also available at http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...82&postcount=1)

[Axelf]

When I had my 1M I loved it always put a smile on my face.... But I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.........

I just walked in to the dealer as they pulled in a new M5 , I thought great a car with 4 doors and bigger for my family........how wrongs was I, don't get me wrong the M5 is an amazing car but just too big for everything.......

So to cut a long story short, I kept the M5 for 4 month only put 1500 miles on it but I just could not get used to it.... So I trip to the dealer and they had my original order well build date M3 sitting in the show room.... They borrowed me there demo for a whole day and I jumped at the chance to buy the M3...

I lost a shed load of money on the M5 but I have to admit the new M3 reminds me of the 1M in a few different ways... But an added bonus of 4 doors and more room for the family... Every time I drive this I get the same feeling as I did with the 1M.... Would have been great if I could have kept the 1M and M3 but I let the 1M go...... and I can honestly say I have no regrets as I love the M3....

[uae247]

1M is the more fun car to drive

M3 is more refined and faster too











Final decision: BOTH

[craina]

Originally Posted by S3RI35

Thanks you guys! Decision made - time to sell my car and join in the fun. Problem is selling the car.

CarMax.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The pictures of the BMW 1M Catalogue 2011 (international) feature a dude with a rather unusual 'outfit' and 'garden' for driving an urban/city road car.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attac...3&d=1329761100 (15 pages - 3.3 MB)
(also available at http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...82&postcount=1)

LOL....the typical 1M owner?

Originally Posted by S3RI35

Thanks you guys! Decision made - time to sell my car and join in the fun. Problem is selling the car.

you really won't regret it, man! Congrats on making the right decision!!!

[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by p66

Exclusivity and rarity almost always trump mass production or "better". Especially when "better" is only marginal.

There are plenty of rare and exclusive cars that don't hold their value. Rarity helps, but demand and history play major parts in appreciation. The 1M is only marginally better than the M235 that weighs more, has smaller tires, and has a less powerful engine which leaves me to believe the M2 should be a little more than marginally better than the 1M. I'll be interesting to see how history plays out.

[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

actually I was watching a YouTube interview with some M engineers the other day and they mentioned that the 1M was basically a road going version of the BMW 130 Racing they had developed to race at Nurburgring back in 2008/2009. Not exactly 'pedigree' but there is a link to racing in the 1M. I didn't know that til that video....

I don't think the M2 will affect 1M prices....the 1M is special due to the story, it's simplicity, and FUN. The M2 will never have a story like that and I can't imagine it could ever be as simple as the 1M.

Sorry, it has to be a winning pedigree. The E30 M3 is the winningest road race car in history.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

Sorry, it has to be a winning pedigree. The E30 M3 is the winningest road race car in history.

yeah I already mentioned it's not the same thing but it is something at least! haha

didn't know it was the winningest road race car! wow

[Goombeh]

Originally Posted by bdaddylo

Sorry, it has to be a winning pedigree. The E30 M3 is the winningest road race car in history.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but whenever i see a post from you, i get an image of you sitting at the kitchen table looking at a photo of your budgie who has just passed on in his sleep, quietly mopping up the coffee that you have just spilt....... again, and wondering if that tree outside is going to fall in the strong wind and damage your guttering...

I don't know why........

And on topic, never driven the new M3. But think it looks exactly 17 times better than the M4.

[JeffyD]

Poor, poor little parakeet.

I honestly do not see the prices of 1Ms staying the way they are at the moment. Once the M2 starts building more hype around the journalist rings, the demand is going to dwindle and prices will drop as people look at the more reasonable option of the two. Why pay these insane prices for a 1M when an "M version(tm)" of the M235i ( a car a few people have said is beyond a 1M's performance) will be easier and more fiscally reasonable to buy into (new, no less), and will have better figures on paper stat boxes (DnD 4evr! Where "AC" stands for armor class)?

Seriously. Many current owners will want the hotter and newer rep'-getter, and will drop their cars onto the market en masse. Meanwhile, the demand for the cars is going to dry up because the would-be buyer demographic for these ludicrous prices is generally going to have their eye on the new entry.

So, I'm guessing they'll wind up going the way of E46s, and E92s after they were replaced by their newer counterparts. Which means abuse will be more prevalent - I, for one, welcome our new stance nation 1M overlords.

Anyway, back on point in relation to the thread - uh, I still prefer the 1M? Yeah.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by JeffyD

Poor, poor little parakeet.

I honestly do not see the prices of 1Ms staying the way they are at the moment. Once the M2 starts building more hype around the journalist rings, the demand is going to dwindle and prices will drop as people look at the more reasonable option of the two. Why pay these insane prices for a 1M when an "M version(tm)" of the M235i ( a car a few people have said is beyond a 1M's performance) will be easier and more fiscally reasonable to buy into (new, no less), and will have better figures on paper stat boxes (DnD 4evr! Where "AC" stands for armor class)?

Seriously. Many current owners will want the hotter and newer rep'-getter, and will drop their cars onto the market en masse. Meanwhile, the demand for the cars is going to dry up because the would-be buyer demographic for these ludicrous prices is generally going to have their eye on the new entry.

So, I'm guessing they'll wind up going the way of E46s, and E92s after they were replaced by their newer counterparts. Which means abuse will be more prevalent - I, for one, welcome our new stance nation 1M overlords.

Anyway, back on point in relation to the thread - uh, I still prefer the 1M? Yeah.

I don't think that will happen, man!

more than 25000+ E46 M3s and also 25000 E9X M3s were sold as compared to 700+ 1Ms in the US market. The supply dynamics are not even comparable!! Those 2 models are really great cars but the 1M occupies a very different niche.