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01-19-2019, 09:17 PM | #1 |
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If you could do it over again.
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It is time for more power out of my N55 powered 135i 6spd. I would like to do it right the first time. I'm not looking to upgrade the turbo. I want it to look stock. (no ricer boy looking intake) Needs to be reliable. Not tracking or drag racing. Will a catless downpipe pass emissions in Nevada? Is 375-400bhp reasonable to achieve? If so what parts and tune should I get? Thanks in advanced |
01-20-2019, 04:38 PM | #2 |
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My build is :
VSRF Catless Downpipe VSRF Charge Pipe(s) VSRF Stepped Intercooler BMS Oil Catch Can K&N High Flow Air Filter COBB AP running Stage 2 + Aggressive I haven't put it on the dyno, but COBB claims about 375bhp with this setup. As far as emissions, a few places sell a little 'fix' that you plug in for emission testing an remove afterwards. I think my car sounds great and looks stock.
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01-20-2019, 06:30 PM | #3 |
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Started w/ JB4, switched to MHD Stage II
Started w/ BMS intake, switched to M-Design CAI Started w/ Wagner Catted DP, switching to VSRF Catless Currently have: BMS oil catch can BMS charge pipe VSRF 7" FMIC, wouldn't mind the 7" HD Berk Street exhaust car back Adding an inlet in the spring with a GFB DV when I do the water pump Everything I started with plus the currently have section yielded me 368WHP on the dyno during a hot Maine summer with 95% humidity. The MHD feels more aggressive and I feel like the power delivery is faster, though not necessarily more powerful. |
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01-22-2019, 04:55 PM | #5 |
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Just had the opportunity last weekend to do some runs on a DynoJet after going FBO. My best run was 358whp/440wtq (SAE Corrected) VRSF DP, CP, and 7HD FMIC. My only mistake along the way was going jb4 at first instead of MHD
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Here's what I'd do: VRSF Downpipes VRSF Intercooler VRSF Charge Pipe Stock Diverter Valves Stock Airbox MHD Stage 2 Flash on 98ron fuel RSFB Helical LSD M3 Control Arms Bilstein B12 kit. -= Stop =- Or: Single Turbo Conversion w/ Custom MHD based tune RSFB Clutch-based LSD M3 Control Arms ... then the sky's the limit. |
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I'm sure MHD is fine, but I think it's safe to say people have flocked to it because it's so much cheaper, not because it's making way more power than a COBB tune.
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Once you factor in $250 licensing fee and then $300 custom tune, the price points are not much different. I originally had a JB4 and then went straight to MHD custom tuned; while I haven't had a COBB I can say that the power levels and the area under the curve are serious considerations in MHD favor. |
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To your comment about your tune, that kind of goes back to my point. I've never seen anything other than "It's better" online. I'm not saying it's impossible. I just think that the OTS COBB tunes and OTS MHD tunes are probably a lot closer than people think. I'd love to see someone do some real world contrasting.
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01-24-2019, 08:16 AM | #11 | |
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OTS tunes are good, much better than OEM software allows but if he wants to maximize the bolt on modifications then a custom is the way to go. And MHD has been producing world record HP numbers on multiple shop cars (Ghassan, Motiv, EMP Tuning, ADE, and DocRace to name a few) - they all run it for the more effective ECU control "It's better" can be defined by a lot of different parameters; in this case, lower price point for having comparable OTS tunes (by your wording) kind of makes the point of being better then, doesn't it? |
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Power? You're right, COBB vs MHD is going to have the same damn potential in terms of stock turbo tuning. There is only so much the turbo can do... But, MHD has released things like modified coolant tables, oil pressure tables, VANOS tables, MAF delete, 2-step, load-by-gear, the list goes on... Some small power gains with the tables table definitions can be seen, but, the real gains are in that MHD is actively expanding knowledge and defining DME tables whereas COBB gave us the bare minimum needed to tune a car and dipped out on us... |
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As I said. I don't think MHD is bad, or worse than COBB. I just think people treat it as some massively better product, when in reality it's marginally better for 99% of users. (OTS users) Quote:
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Overpaying for an out dated tuning technology seems silly. |
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You also need to consider ongoing support. I went with the cobb platform years ago and had a custom map created for my car. After an ecu upgrade (due to driveability issues), the map was not accesible and neither cobb or the tuner (ptf, who screwed their customers in a massive way) would help transfer it over. Both vendor and service provider have dropped the ball for n55s.
I am now working through a custom map (which i will review once complete) through the MHD platform. I have been told that with MHD there is more tuneability, as the tables/parameters are more extensive, but i dont believe this has ever been quantified with dyno run comparisons or the like. Either way, dont bother with Cobb - yes it will do the job, but why not buy into a platform that has greater prospects for retaining support and development. |
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Alright, I have completed my upgrades with the following VRSF parts:
turbo outlet pipe 5" steeped intercooler lower charge pipe upper charge pipe high flow catted downpipe (passed emissions) I live in Las Vegas and only have access to ACN 91, which stage should I get? 1+, 2, or 2+? Thanks! Last edited by TURBO8; 05-04-2019 at 02:53 PM.. |
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it's normal to see a spike after throttle lift off as the blow off valve activates, but I wouldn't expect to see above 19psi on pump gas during a run (with wide open throttle). check your logs for target vs actual boost. |
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