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      04-16-2018, 10:25 PM   #67
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He killed 40 people, could have easily bombed them. I donít think he would do a chemical attack at exactly the same time that Trump decides to pull out. That is not a smart move. Putin would not allow that.

And yes, it was Syria who shot them down.
Syria shot NOTHING down
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All three targets were pulverized-and oh, by the way, where are the remains of the 70 missiles supposedly shot down? Remember when we were shooting down scuds? Parts of destroyed rockets all over the place.
Those buildings were nothing but cement powder.
And why are there no videos of collisions in the sky with explosions from the intercepted missiles. Wouldn't the Syrians and Russians have proud proof of the efficacy of their technology? Probably had to take their brownie instamatic film to the pharmacy dark room for development.

How bogus a claim they shot down our missiles when it was their buildings totally destroyed.
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Syria shot NOTHING down
According to the Pentagon, but of course we would never admit it if they did.

That isnít relevant though.
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Syria shot NOTHING down
According to the Pentagon, but of course we would never admit it if they did.

That isn't relevant though.
You are now working overtime in order to prove RUSSIA's point. What gives?
And don't try and pass this off as someone who is "neutral". That's obviously not true.
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Syria shot NOTHING down
According to the Pentagon, but of course we would never admit it if they did.

That isn't relevant though.
Why is he working so hard to prove the kremlins point?
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All three targets were pulverized-and oh, by the way, where are the remains of the 70 missiles supposedly shot down? Remember when we were shooting down scuds? Parts of destroyed rockets all over the place.
Those buildings were nothing but cement powder.
And why are there no videos of collisions in the sky with explosions from the intercepted missiles. Wouldn't the Syrians and Russians have proud proof of the efficacy of their technology? Probably had to take their brownie instamatic film to the pharmacy dark room for development.

How bogus a claim they shot down our missiles when it was their buildings totally destroyed.
OK, well, the plant for the production of chemical weapons has heroically decimated.
But after such a huge destruction in the sky must rise tons of nerv agents that were supposed to hit the entire civilian population of Syria, an environmental disaster?
I did not hear news on this topic, it turns out to destroy chemical weapons - so simple? Or was it a day off at the plant, and all the finished products were shipped?))
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All three targets were pulverized-and oh, by the way, where are the remains of the 70 missiles supposedly shot down? Remember when we were shooting down scuds? Parts of destroyed rockets all over the place.
Those buildings were nothing but cement powder.
And why are there no videos of collisions in the sky with explosions from the intercepted missiles. Wouldn't the Syrians and Russians have proud proof of the efficacy of their technology? Probably had to take their brownie instamatic film to the pharmacy dark room for development.

How bogus a claim they shot down our missiles when it was their buildings totally destroyed.
OK, well, the plant for the production of chemical weapons has heroically decimated.
But after such a huge destruction in the sky must rise tons of nerv agents that were supposed to hit the entire civilian population of Syria, an environmental disaster?
I did not hear news on this topic, it turns out to destroy chemical weapons - so simple? Or was it a day off at the plant, and all the finished products were shipped?))
Have your buddy Putin ask Assad. Very simple. You are welcome.
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OK, well, the plant for the production of chemical weapons has heroically decimated.
But after such a huge destruction in the sky must rise tons of nerv agents that were supposed to hit the entire civilian population of Syria, an environmental disaster?
I did not hear news on this topic, it turns out to destroy chemical weapons - so simple? Or was it a day off at the plant, and all the finished products were shipped?))
Good point!
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All three targets were pulverized-and oh, by the way, where are the remains of the 70 missiles supposedly shot down? Remember when we were shooting down scuds? Parts of destroyed rockets all over the place.
Those buildings were nothing but cement powder.
And why are there no videos of collisions in the sky with explosions from the intercepted missiles. Wouldn't the Syrians and Russians have proud proof of the efficacy of their technology? Probably had to take their brownie instamatic film to the pharmacy dark room for development.

How bogus a claim they shot down our missiles when it was their buildings totally destroyed.
OK, well, the plant for the production of chemical weapons has heroically decimated.
But after such a huge destruction in the sky must rise tons of nerv agents that were supposed to hit the entire civilian population of Syria, an environmental disaster?
I did not hear news on this topic, it turns out to destroy chemical weapons - so simple? Or was it a day off at the plant, and all the finished products were shipped?))
It's a binary weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin?wprov=sfti1
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You are now working overtime in order to prove RUSSIA's point. What gives?
And don't try and pass this off as someone who is "neutral". That's obviously not true.
What youíre saying doesnít even make sense. Iím posting what Syrian/Israeli media has reported..

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Have your buddy Putin ask Assad. Very simple. You are welcome.
Putin canít decide the aftermath of a chemical plant being blown up.
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According to the Pentagon, but of course we would never admit it if they did.

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You are now working overtime in order to prove RUSSIA's point. What gives?
And don't try and pass this off as someone who is "neutral". That's obviously not true.
I am sort of neutral. I think it's idiotic to believe both sides on this. So I just disregard it completely. You will never know if all 100% missiles made it or more then half were shot down. Just like you will never know what they targeted, how many civilians they killed, and why they used them in the first place. They already admitted that most of their intelligence comes from social media, so I wouldn't be surprised if they bombed places based on some rebels Twitter pics
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According to the Pentagon, but of course we would never admit it if they did.

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You are now working overtime in order to prove RUSSIA's point. What gives?
And don't try and pass this off as someone who is "neutral". That's obviously not true.
I am sort of neutral. I think it's idiotic to believe both sides on this. So I just disregard it completely. You will never know if all 100% missiles made it or more then half were shot down. Just like you will never know what they targeted, how many civilians they killed, and why they used them in the first place. They already admitted that most of their intelligence comes from social media, so I wouldn't be surprised if they bombed places based on some rebels Twitter pics
You are not neutral. You have demonstrated an extreme anti-American bias. It's amazing you live in this country. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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You are not neutral. You have demonstrated an extreme anti-American bias. It's amazing you live in this country. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Kloyak2k, yes yer right and the truth is likely somewhere in between as Ive said..
but dont be ashamed that you actually use your braincells
some of the others on this forum lost that ability probably decades ago
nowadays they say "they think" when its really what MSM thinks or what theyre told..

and who really gives a sh!t how many were shot down
the point of the matter is they should have NEVER been fired in the first place
NOT UNTIL AFTER a proper investigation
but people cant get their braincells around that one
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Syria shot NOTHING down
I'm sure they got a few of them. There is video of them intercepting one (or two?). Whether that is reliable or not is another question.

A subsonic Tomahawk flying a fairly straight course (even low level) isn't the hardest thing in the world to hit. It is part of the reason they fire so many of them to make sure the targets were hit.
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I'm sure they got a few of them. There is video of them intercepting one (or two?). Whether that is reliable or not is another question.

A subsonic Tomahawk flying a fairly straight course (even low level) isn't the hardest thing in the world to hit. It is part of the reason they fire so many of them to make sure the targets were hit.
I would be very, very surprised if they Syrian operators shot down any. If they were Syrian systems operated by Russians (possible), then I can see why it may appear it was them. Watching the Syrians try to shoot down anything in the sky over the past 20 years is like handing a 4-year-old a 12 gauge shotgun and asking them to shoot skeet lol.
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I'm sure they got a few of them. There is video of them intercepting one (or two?). Whether that is reliable or not is another question.

A subsonic Tomahawk flying a fairly straight course (even low level) isn't the hardest thing in the world to hit. It is part of the reason they fire so many of them to make sure the targets were hit.
Though I haven't seen much material about it lately, the original BGM-109 Tomahawk and other cruise missiles were programmed with terrain following software and radar designed to let them fly very, very low. No reason to think they still don't have that capability. Plus they could use GPS to craft a flight plan to avoid known missile batteries.
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Though I haven't seen much material about it lately, the original BGM-109 Tomahawk and other cruise missiles were programmed with terrain following software and radar designed to let them fly very, very low. No reason to think they still don't have that capability. Plus they could use GPS to craft a flight plan to avoid known missile batteries.
No, you're right. We are fully capable of mitigating their efforts, even with how small they are. I worked as an analyst for ME/Russia/China and air platforms as well. Just look into any of the SAM launches Syria has had in the past 5 years alone and tell me you think they could shoot down something without it being luck lol.
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I would be very, very surprised if they Syrian operators shot down any. If they were Syrian systems operated by Russians (possible), then I can see why it may appear it was them. Watching the Syrians try to shoot down anything in the sky over the past 20 years is like handing a 4-year-old a 12 gauge shotgun and asking them to shoot skeet lol.
I hear yah, but luck or what you said comes into play as well. The Russian claim is laughable, but like I said a few wouldn't totally surprise me. Nor would zero either if that makes any sense.
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No, you're right. We are fully capable of mitigating their efforts, even with how small they are. I worked as an analyst for ME/Russia/China and air platforms as well. Just look into any of the SAM launches Syria has had in the past 5 years alone and tell me you think they could shoot down something without it being luck lol.
I don't think they ever got an Israeli AIRPLANE until recently. And missiles are much harder to shoot down.
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I hear yah, but luck or what you said comes into play as well. The Russian claim is laughable, but like I said a few wouldn't totally surprise me. Nor would zero either if that makes any sense.
Oh yeah, I don't doubt that. It's entirely possible for them to hit one by luck. No different than an RPG hitting a helicopter haha.

Just look at some of their SA-5 launches.. Yes, it's outdated tech, but moreso focusing on their maintenance aspect... They've had missiles fly less than a mile due to their inability to take care of fuel.
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ya know I doubt they got 70 out of 100 tomahawks either esp w/o the S400 but I'm sure they may have gotten a few and maybe a few malfunctioned and hit the terrain.. who knows
but thats not the point..

the point of the matter is they should have NEVER been fired in the first place
NOT UNTIL AFTER a proper investigation
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