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05-15-2011, 10:01 AM | #67 |
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nope, because BMW would charge a premium for these upgrades, but the M3 Comp wheels come no charge.
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Maybe you havent seen it before because cars in the BMW line up before were never this similar. A 135 to me is a 335 in a smaller lighter package. A 335 is not a smaller lighter 535 though. I wonder what happens next gen if both cars share parts? Especially since they should launch around the same time. |
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No you cant get 70 hp with a tune off the s65 but i dont give a shit. Well im buying a new car so I wouldnt void my warranty. With all turbos you can higher the boost and get more hp. But then the wear is getting higher and would want to stand without warranty with an engine that is proven unreliable. I know, my 335 had to change turbos and transmission. If I would void my warranty I would do it with class, slam a supercharger for 8 grand, try to follow with your 1-series. |
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Youre discounting a forced induction turbo car yet say you would go forced induction via supercharger? For 8 grand at that? Sorry dude, TT free HP, SC not so much free, and Im not talking about the 8 grand to upgrade. |
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I actually look at things the other way. It would take more money to start with a new 135i and tune it into something as capable as the 1M, than to buy the 1M in the first place. From that perspective, the 1M is a great value. For about $50k nicely equipped you get a hell of a car and one that performs even better than the M3 in some aspects.
This parts bin engineering seems to be producing great results here. If the parts work well on the car, I don't think they need to be bespoke to the 1 series. Now, if there is a suggestion that bespoke non-M3 parts for the 1M could produce even better results, I might buy that argument. But bespoke parts for the sake of it is just for poseurs and others that need to feed an ego IMO. At the end of the day, I guess I thought the goal of these cars was to have something enjoyable to drive. Last edited by vantagesc; 05-15-2011 at 06:09 PM.. |
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If you haven't driven both cars, shut your mouth! They are both amazing machines. The fact that the M3 guys are even in here speaks volumes. Go back to your forum and let us 1er peasants enjoy our rides! The best way to show you are superior is to live and let die. If you are happy with your car that is all that matters, whichever one it is. Many of us had the choice between both models. They cater to different needs and tastes. Yes the M3 is more "special", and the 1M is so damn good that if it were any more bespoke it would have to cost the same! I'm glad you paid the markup for the R and D on a bunch of stuff that was just "parts binned" onto my car for less $. Thanks boys!
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If you have superiority issues, go seek some help...nobody here cares. We are all BMW M enthusiasts. Get along or get lost. |
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Does anyone notice the only folk who are totally negative about our 1ms are those who don't own one. I am too busy enjoying this little orange monster to care whether it's a "real M" or not. All I can say is BMW you chose a great parts bin to steal from. Holly |
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I think the 1M is a good value and largely as I wanted it done. Would I prefer a "better" engine? Hell yes! DCT option available? Yup. Better gear ratio in the diff? Yup. But each would add cost and maybe delayed/prevented the project altogether. I don't see any way to argue that the M3, with that glorious engine, isn't more "special" in that the sound and the performance and the amazing output of that tiny engine is astounding, yet it is a legit daily driver that can still kick butt. On most tracks, it'll outrun a 1M, and on most roads, ride better. It will also haul adults in the back, for short rides anyway. Still, for me, the M3 is too expensive to consider as a DD. It's not that I CAN'T afford it; it's that my sense of value is such that it would hurt me more than please me, to drive a $65k car every day, knowing that as each mile clicked over on the odometer, a decent chunk of a dollar of remaining value was draining out of it. For that reason, and the amazing performance for the $$$, the 1M is definitely in contention for the top spot on my list. Put it right there with a CPO M3 and a Boss 302. Boss is likely the fastest in any performance contest, but also the most spartan and low-rent. M3 is probably my favorite if they were all new and all free, but given that I'd get a used one and have to sit where someone else had been farting for 40k miles takes it down a notch. 1M is a nice combo of luxury and sport. I need to look at the 1M interior to see if it's acceptable. Boss has recaro sport buckets, which are nice. M3 has nice seats. I wonder if the side support of the 1M seats is worthy of the car's potential?
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$400 for gobs of power? EPIC!! $8k? kinda lame (Id rather spend 8k elsewhere). M3 + 8k puts you close to stepping up into something possibly much better than an M3. You complain about the car, then cite warranty issues bc of a tune, then use warranty voiding examples to substantiate how your car can outperform a 1M? There will always be someone faster than you sometimes its a "lesser" car. Learn to live with it. |
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