1er coupe U.S. price point???

GreenMonster · 07-06-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kindtree

And what about a good condition E46 M3 vs a 135i? Wouldn't those be 2 good cars to compare?

That would be about right... I'm thinking a used 330 and a new 128i would also be cross shopped...

I've been watching used 330 prices (04's due to the mild changes from the 01-03's), and it doesn't make sense to me to buy a used 330 w/ 225hp when I could just wait till next year, and get the same engine in a newer car that's also lighter...

I agree that BMW is going to be stepping on it's own toes.... at least where cheap bastards like me are involved :wink:

Genericuser1 · 07-09-2007, 12:23 PM

I think even the 335 has seriously hurt the resale of the 2006 330. I'm seeing reasonably optioned 330's for $31k.

I'd love to sit in on the pricing meetings for the 1 series, I'm sure there is much debate.

herro · 07-17-2007, 04:14 PM

Just got off the phone with three local BMW dealers to try and place a deposit or get on a waiting list - one said it wasn't necessary, the dealership will be getting the similar allocation as the 3-series so there should be no shortage.

Two dealerships both answered my msrp question with 26k for base 128i and a $4-$5k premium above that for the 135i

The third just said in the 20's

The general consensus seems to be that of upper mid 20's for the 128i and low 30's for the 135i - hope that helps

jbbrann · 07-17-2007, 09:16 PM

Even though this horse is dead, but I'm going to beat it some more.

The German brochure gives a price of 38950 euro for the 135i which is 87% of the German price for the 335i. So, my prediction for the 135i in the US is about $35,500 (87% of the 335i price). Hopefully my logic is not flawed.

However, I can see (or maybe this is wishful thinking) BMW pricing the car slightly lower in the US because of the difference in perception of small cars in the US versus Europe, and to put some space between the 1 and the 3.

Séve · 07-17-2007, 10:34 PM

As the cars' names imply, I wouldn't be surprised to see base prices of $28k and $35k.

kindtree · 07-18-2007, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Séve

As the cars' names imply, I wouldn't be surprised to see base prices of $28k and $35k.

that would be clever.

SCA · 07-18-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd

I think even the 335 has seriously hurt the resale of the 2006 330. I'm seeing reasonably optioned 330's for $31k.

Yes, the '07 335i really hurt the '06 330i. There are quite a few 330 owners that are fairly pissed off at BMW.

larryn · 07-18-2007, 10:27 AM

It's no different than the start of production E46's where they had the 323i and 328i, only to be followed with the 325i and 330i a year later, whith a good bit more output.

I have an '06 330i, and I'm a bit jealous of the 335i owners, not pissed at BMW. (I had a e46 323i that was superceded 5 months after I bought it by the 325i too, but I replaced it with a e46 330i to counter). They are improving the product. What's not to like about that? Certainly better than them resting on their laurels and getting passed by...

BForbes · 07-18-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by larryn

It's no different than the start of production E46's where they had the 323i and 328i, only to be followed with the 325i and 330i a year later, whith a good bit more output.

I have an '06 330i, and I'm a bit jealous of the 335i owners, not pissed at BMW. (I had a e46 323i that was superceded 5 months after I bought it by the 325i too, but I replaced it with a e46 330i to counter). They are improving the product. What's not to like about that? Certainly better than them resting on their laurels and getting passed by...

This guy would make a good friend.

BEE-EM-VAY · 07-18-2007, 05:51 PM

"Start saving up now for the 135i version which will feature standard M aerodynamics, in addition to having the award winning turbocharged engine resulting in one quick machine at the fraction of the price of its sibling car the 335i. Not only will the new 1 Series cost less (nearly 10k), but it will also be lighter. Can you say the ultimate driving machine now? I think so. Give me mine in Jet Black with Imola Red interior "

http://blog.worldcarfans.com/index.c...elease-details

am i reading this correctly? the 135i will be nearly 10k less than the 335i (sedan im assuming)?

OniKoroshi · 07-18-2007, 06:55 PM

Even if its 10k less than the coupe its still going to be a great value. If they manage to get this thing priced < $33k with basic options then its going to sell like crazy.

It seems like BMW is really targeting my demographic, the mid twenties. I graduated college two years ago and I'm still driving the car I had in high school. I've got money in the bank begging to be spent on this car.

dmboone25 · 07-18-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OniKoroshi

Even if its 10k less than the coupe its still going to be a great value. If they manage to get this thing priced < $33k with basic options then its going to sell like crazy.

It seems like BMW is really targeting my demographic, the mid twenties. I graduated college two years ago and I'm still driving the car I had in high school. I've got money in the bank begging to be spent on this car.

+1 I would tend to agree--I have an E92 and hardly ever use the trunk--no one ever sits in my backseat--the 1er is more along the lines of the size I want and need.

I still think its gonna be 35K to start though....

menotakoala · 07-19-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BEE-EM-VAY

am i reading this correctly? the 135i will be nearly 10k less than the 335i (sedan im assuming)?

If that is in line with the saloon then the 135i coupe' would cost us about $28,900. If it is according to the 335i coupe' then the price is $30,800. Hmmm.... We can only wish that it will be one of those two prices. For me I just hope it will be something I can afford as a college graduate. By the time I get the 135i, I will be fresh out of college. Hopefully sometime in 2009 the 135i will be in my driveway.

wildman082 · 07-19-2007, 08:57 AM

There is a $10k price difference between the 535 and 335 starting prices. I wouldn't expect that much of a difference between the 335 and 135 but $5000-7500 would be possible.

BForbes · 07-19-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wildman082

There is a $10k price difference between the 535 and 335 starting prices. I wouldn't expect that much of a difference between the 335 and 135 but $5000-7500 would be possible.

I will gladly take a $7500 difference. You are probably spot on my friend.

BEE-EM-VAY · 07-19-2007, 02:57 PM

if the 135 is in the upper 20s/ low 30s then how much do u think the 128i will cost??

ibeam81 · 07-19-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BEE-EM-VAY

if the 135 is in the upper 20s/ low 30s then how much do u think the 128i will cost??

The good news is that it will be less. Guestimates range from $2K to $5K less. My guess is ~$3K less.

Lips · 07-20-2007, 06:57 AM

I'm sorry but I can't believe BMW would let this thing go for $33k. Take this for what it's worth, but my salesmen buddy at the BMW dealership had a meeting and they asked the salesmens input on pricing, they said 32k and BMW executives laughed at them. Take this with a grain of salt because you know how dealerships operate, but I would be surprised if it came in at under $35k.

ibeam81 · 07-20-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lips

I'm sorry but I can't believe BMW would let this thing go for $33k. Take this for what it's worth, but my salesmen buddy at the BMW dealership had a meeting and they asked the salesmens input on pricing, they said 32k and BMW executives laughed at them. Take this with a grain of salt because you know how dealerships operate, but I would be surprised if it came in at under $35k.

Agreed. At $33K the 135i would be a steal and unfortunately BMW isn't really known for bargains.

$35K sounds closer to the mark and I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like $35,995. Then we can still call it $35K and feel that we're getting a deal (kind of), while BMW is getting close to $37K with freight and almost $40K with options. I suspect that the 128 will be ~$30K, although I can see BMW going for $29,995 so that they can have a 1er under $30K (minus freight and options of course).

With 6 cylinder Nissans and Hyundai's (not to mention fast Subies and Mitsu's) going for the $30Ks, BMW has a pretty large range for pricing the 1er.

Wow... I remember in High School when the Porsche 928 was $25K and seemed obtainable. Times have certainly changed, but in relative terms cars are a bargain. My 325e cost $23K in '84, so at ~$35K twenty-four years later the 135i is a bargain. Anyway, in the meantime I'm hoping for the best.

It's interesting that the 1er is BMW's most popular platform in Europe. I wonder if that will hold true in the US as well?

BForbes · 07-20-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ibeam81

Agreed. At $33K the 135i would be a steal and unfortunately BMW isn't really known for bargains.

$35K sounds closer to the mark and I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like $35,995. Then we can still call it $35K and feel that we're getting a deal (kind of), while BMW is getting close to $37K with freight and almost $40K with options. I suspect that the 128 will be ~$30K, although I can see BMW going for $29,995 so that they can have a 1er under $30K (minus freight and options of course).

With 6 cylinder Nissans and Hyundai's (not to mention fast Subies and Mitsu's) going for the $30Ks, BMW has a pretty large range for pricing the 1er.

Wow... I remember in High School when the Porsche 928 was $25K and seemed obtainable. Times have certainly changed, but in relative terms cars are a bargain. My 325e cost $23K in '84, so at ~$35K twenty-four years later the 135i is a bargain. Anyway, in the meantime I'm hoping for the best.

It's interesting that the 1er is BMW's most popular platform in Europe. I wonder if that will hold true in the US as well?

What you said makes absolutely perfect sense. 35k is alright with me. If you want a more reasonable price, master the art known as European delivery as I shall.

joelk · 07-20-2007, 09:46 AM

i've been expecting 35k base for the 135i and around 40-43k loaded. that puts a fully loaded 135i at a little more than the base 335i which seems appropriate. my dealer was _much_more optimistic re: price but they really didn't know crap about the car even though they pretended to.

imported_MPower · 07-20-2007, 10:51 AM

35,000 dead is decent, 35,995 isnt. At that price, the BMW driving advantage dwindles and cars like the Mitsubishi Evo start to get more tempting. BMW can talk all they want about placing the car within their lineup but they have got to be more attentive to the market. If they really want this to be a car for the first-time BMW buyer, 35,995 isnt going to cut it. That is more than than a loaded Honda Accord V6 coupe, that is more than a Mitsubishi Evo, more than a Subie WRX STi, more than the project base price of a V8-powered Pontiac G8, more than nearly everything but a 335i. That just doenst cut it in my book. The first-time BMW buyer is going to have price in the back of their mind and a base 135i costing 36,000 dollars turns people away before they even look at the thing.

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Genericuser1 Captain 22 Rep 661 Posts Drives: M3 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa iTrader: (0)	I think even the 335 has seriously hurt the resale of the 2006 330. I'm seeing reasonably optioned 330's for $31k. I'd love to sit in on the pricing meetings for the 1 series, I'm sure there is much debate.
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herro First Lieutenant 20 Rep 339 Posts Drives: 4x4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Eastside iTrader: (2)	Just got off the phone with three local BMW dealers to try and place a deposit or get on a waiting list - one said it wasn't necessary, the dealership will be getting the similar allocation as the 3-series so there should be no shortage. Two dealerships both answered my msrp question with 26k for base 128i and a $4-$5k premium above that for the 135i The third just said in the 20's The general consensus seems to be that of upper mid 20's for the 128i and low 30's for the 135i - hope that helps
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jbbrann Private First Class 13 Rep 103 Posts Drives: '23 X5 45e + '23 M240i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: AR USA iTrader: (0)	Even though this horse is dead, but I'm going to beat it some more. The German brochure gives a price of 38950 euro for the 135i which is 87% of the German price for the 335i. So, my prediction for the 135i in the US is about $35,500 (87% of the 335i price). Hopefully my logic is not flawed. However, I can see (or maybe this is wishful thinking) BMW pricing the car slightly lower in the US because of the difference in perception of small cars in the US versus Europe, and to put some space between the 1 and the 3.
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Séve Private 6 Rep 95 Posts Drives: 128i ZSP Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Univ. of Alabama iTrader: (0)	As the cars' names imply, I wouldn't be surprised to see base prices of $28k and $35k.
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larryn Lieutenant General 2146 Rep 10,176 Posts Drives: '97 332ti, '21 X5 45e, '16 GT4 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle iTrader: (2)	It's no different than the start of production E46's where they had the 323i and 328i, only to be followed with the 325i and 330i a year later, whith a good bit more output. I have an '06 330i, and I'm a bit jealous of the 335i owners, not pissed at BMW. (I had a e46 323i that was superceded 5 months after I bought it by the 325i too, but I replaced it with a e46 330i to counter). They are improving the product. What's not to like about that? Certainly better than them resting on their laurels and getting passed by...
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BEE-EM-VAY New Member 0 Rep 12 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2006 iTrader: (0)	"Start saving up now for the 135i version which will feature standard M aerodynamics, in addition to having the award winning turbocharged engine resulting in one quick machine at the fraction of the price of its sibling car the 335i. Not only will the new 1 Series cost less (nearly 10k), but it will also be lighter. Can you say the ultimate driving machine now? I think so. Give me mine in Jet Black with Imola Red interior " http://blog.worldcarfans.com/index.c...elease-details am i reading this correctly? the 135i will be nearly 10k less than the 335i (sedan im assuming)?
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OniKoroshi Private First Class 2 Rep 112 Posts Drives: 08 535i Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	Even if its 10k less than the coupe its still going to be a great value. If they manage to get this thing priced < $33k with basic options then its going to sell like crazy. It seems like BMW is really targeting my demographic, the mid twenties. I graduated college two years ago and I'm still driving the car I had in high school. I've got money in the bank begging to be spent on this car.
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wildman082 Registered 0 Rep 3 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jul 2007 iTrader: (0)	There is a $10k price difference between the 535 and 335 starting prices. I wouldn't expect that much of a difference between the 335 and 135 but $5000-7500 would be possible.
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BEE-EM-VAY New Member 0 Rep 12 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2006 iTrader: (0)	if the 135 is in the upper 20s/ low 30s then how much do u think the 128i will cost??
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Lips First Lieutenant 27 Rep 362 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jul 2007 iTrader: (0)	I'm sorry but I can't believe BMW would let this thing go for $33k. Take this for what it's worth, but my salesmen buddy at the BMW dealership had a meeting and they asked the salesmens input on pricing, they said 32k and BMW executives laughed at them. Take this with a grain of salt because you know how dealerships operate, but I would be surprised if it came in at under $35k. __________________ 2005 G35 Coupe Lakeshore Slate 2007 Mazda MX-5 Galaxy Grey
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joelk Lieutenant Colonel 37 Rep 1,680 Posts Drives: Space Gray E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	i've been expecting 35k base for the 135i and around 40-43k loaded. that puts a fully loaded 135i at a little more than the base 335i which seems appropriate. my dealer was _much_more optimistic re: price but they really didn't know crap about the car even though they pretended to.
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imported_MPower Zoom Zoom 38 Rep 1,069 Posts Drives: 2022 M3 6MT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	35,000 dead is decent, 35,995 isnt. At that price, the BMW driving advantage dwindles and cars like the Mitsubishi Evo start to get more tempting. BMW can talk all they want about placing the car within their lineup but they have got to be more attentive to the market. If they really want this to be a car for the first-time BMW buyer, 35,995 isnt going to cut it. That is more than than a loaded Honda Accord V6 coupe, that is more than a Mitsubishi Evo, more than a Subie WRX STi, more than the project base price of a V8-powered Pontiac G8, more than nearly everything but a 335i. That just doenst cut it in my book. The first-time BMW buyer is going to have price in the back of their mind and a base 135i costing 36,000 dollars turns people away before they even look at the thing.
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