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      07-19-2018, 01:06 PM   #1
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Introduction & Help finding my first BMW :)

Just wanted to introduce myself and get some insights from the community. I recently decided to start looking for a 135i. I've been needing/wanting a new car for a year or two now to replace my 2004 Impreza daily driver. But, nothing out there was interesting to me and wasn't in a rush. Recently, after a trip to Germany, a ride in my uncle's M2 and some internet car porn I'm pretty set on a 135i.

I compromised with my last car and if I get a 1er it will be a bit of a splurge so I want to be 100% happy with the purchase. I've been doing a lot of researching to familiarize myself with years/models/options/maintenance...etc as well as a lot of looking at for sale ads. Boy are there a lot of options and configurations! It seems to me like prices vary WIDELY so I wanted to check in here and see what you guys thought and whether I was being realistic or not. So, here's what I'm looking for:

Must Haves:
- Coupe
- Leaning towards holding out for a 6spd, this might be a must have but I need to drive a DCT. So far 6spds seem pretty hard to find.
- M Sport Package
- White with red or black interior
- <70k miles (but the lower the better since this will be a daily I want to be reliable for years to come)
- VERY good exterior/interior condition with only the most minimal visible flaws
- All maintenance done, good tires...etc
- Xenon headlights
- Clean title


Would like's:
- The more M goodies, the better
- PDC would be nice
- Premium audio
- iDrive/Nav (just for the screen)
- Prefer no sunroof but don't really care
- Prefer no headlight washers


Is there a premium for white? for a 6spd?
Do you guys think prices for what I'm looking for are stable? Decreasing? Increasing? I'm not sure where on the price curve we are at the moment so a little unsure if I should be in a hurry or if it may even be advantageous to take it slow.

Originally, I was shooting for a budget of $16k out the door but then I started doing more research and am leaning towards only 2011+ due to the n55 engine change. With that I was hoping for more of an $18k all in budget and I've found a couple at/around that price but not in white+6spd. I'm also seeing them priced $20-24k and wondering what these cars are actually selling for vs what they're listed at. Any insight or help here is greatly appreciated.
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I just picked up a 2012 135i M Sport, White, 6 spd in the ball park of 20k with only 15,000 miles. So 18k shouldn't be that hard once you find the car.

That said, finding the exact car will be tough. You have the same 'need' list as me, so I pounced when my car came up.
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I just picked up a 2012 135i M Sport, White, 6 spd in the ball park of 20k with only 15,000 miles. So 18k shouldn't be that hard once you find the car.

That said, finding the exact car will be tough. You have the same 'need' list as me, so I pounced when my car came up.
That is great to hear! I know what I want exists in that price range but I'm just not sure if that's a 1/1000 type deal or something that's realistic to find. Sounds like you picked up EXACTLY what I want, lol. And, with miles that low I'd consider upping the budget I think so long as it was in overall amazing condition.

Going to a BMW meet this weekend and hoping to see some 1ers out there. If I have time I'd like to find a couple local ones to test drive as well - none that fit what I want but I'd like to test out manual vs DCT as well as just start familiarizing myself with these cars in person vs just online.

Also, any specific places you suggest looking? I've been looking on 1addicts, Craigslist, Offerup, Autotrader, Cars.com, Carmax, Edmunds and Ebay.
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That is great to hear! I know what I want exists in that price range but I'm just not sure if that's a 1/1000 type deal or something that's realistic to find. Sounds like you picked up EXACTLY what I want, lol. And, with miles that low I'd consider upping the budget I think so long as it was in overall amazing condition.

Going to a BMW meet this weekend and hoping to see some 1ers out there. If I have time I'd like to find a couple local ones to test drive as well - none that fit what I want but I'd like to test out manual vs DCT as well as just start familiarizing myself with these cars in person vs just online.

Also, any specific places you suggest looking? I've been looking on 1addicts, Craigslist, Offerup, Autotrader, Cars.com, Carmax, Edmunds and Ebay.
Personally, since I bought mine as my toy car and not a daily, I HAD to have a manual. It's just a lot more fun to row gears in my opinion. The DCT is faster, but I'll give up a few hundredths in the quarter mile to enjoy my experience more.

I found mine on Cars.com. I also looked on CarGuru.

Only advice is to open your search to any distance. I got lucky and mine was only a few hundred miles away, but you can always have them take the car in for a prepurchase inspection at a dealership before putting a deposit down and flying out or just having them ship it.

They're kind of hard to find, so open up that net. Good luck.
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I've been searching nationwide to get familiar but if I bought today I'd want it to be local. Once I get a chance to see and drive some more local cars I'm hoping I'll be familiar and educated enough to be confident buying sight unseen from across the country.

My main concerns are minor imperfections that I'm picky about but which often sellers won't even bother disclosing. In my experience it's been tough to get a true gauge of paint condition without seeing it yourself or with primo sellers who really detail everything out.
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I've been searching nationwide to get familiar but if I bought today I'd want it to be local. Once I get a chance to see and drive some more local cars I'm hoping I'll be familiar and educated enough to be confident buying sight unseen from across the country.

My main concerns are minor imperfections that I'm picky about but which often sellers won't even bother disclosing. In my experience it's been tough to get a true gauge of paint condition without seeing it yourself or with primo sellers who really detail everything out.
Yeah. Your best bet is to contact a place that can do the PPI before they do if you find the car. Let the dealership know that in addition to mechanical condition, you'd really like a detailed report of the cosmetic condition. Offer to pay extra for it. Most of the time you'll find someone willing to work with you on that.
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That's a great idea I hadn't thought of, thanks! Do you have an estimate of what I should pay for a PPI at the dealer?
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That's a great idea I hadn't thought of, thanks! Do you have an estimate of what I should pay for a PPI at the dealer?
$100-$300 depending on thoroughness. Most dealerships have a flat rate.
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All 1 series are coupes, so no issue there

Drive both, see what you want, me I prefer 6 speed as well since this is my fun car (my X3 is an auto and that's fine, it's an SUV I sit in traffic in and haul my toddler around with)

M-Sport package I'd recommend as well, though much of what it has can be added but I don't think it's worth the cost / effort / and they are definitely better seats, etc. so I'd stick with this as a must-have

You will have to open up your color options or severely limit your already limited options

When you find what you want it'll probably be lower miles, though you will want to factor this in

Very good condition is a given

Maintenance history is a given as well, though I wouldn't be concerned about the tires, these are easy to swap though it adds to the cost

I don't think you'll find a 135i M-Sport without xenons but could be wrong

M goodies can be added, it's a bonus if your car has these but don't limit yourself over them

Stereos can be upgraded but yes the idrive screen is nice to see what you are listening to, this can be a factor but you might have to concede this one, like the color might have to be conceded

You'll just have to make a spreadsheet of what cars you see, what's on them, what miles they have, etc. and after a while you'll know what things should cost.

You want my car, I considered selling it but decided to keep it. White M-Sport, 6-speed, 27k miles, xenons, meticulously maintained, exhaust / spoiler / tint / LCI taillights, HK Audio, Nav w/ screen, sunroof, heated seats, etc. This took me almost 6 months to find so all I can say is - you'll get there, just be patient. And be prepared to spend a little extra when you do find the one you want.
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All 1 series are coupes, so no issue there
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Some 1 series are convertibles.
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Some 1 series are convertibles.
Got it. I am normally thinking 2-door = coupe, 4-dr = sedan, and that 2-door convertibles would then be coupes. But if I remember my Top Gear correctly the coupe designation does indeed by definition mean a hardtop.
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Be patient. Don't be antsy. The right deal will appear and you will jump on it. Until then, hold on. I know it's exciting, but don't cheat yourself out of what you truly want just for instant gratification.

Biggest thing is don't sell yourself the car before you buy it. Then you may have a tendency to overlook flaws and undesirable options.

BUT. Be ready to make a move. If you see THE car, DO NOT SLEEP. You'll know when you find it, don't hesitate, because someone else WILL snatch it up.

Use BMWVin.com to verify options, do not trust dealers. They often use generic VIN scanners which aren't always accurate.

I got lucky when I got mine. I looked for about 3 weeks before I found it, only 20min away. It was such a fresh listing there wasn't a price or any pictures. They literally got the car in on either Friday or Saturday, and I bought it Monday. I called to verify its existence, they told me if I showed up today they'd knock $1000 off, and that's all I needed to hear.

Also use every resource you can. I used Cars.com for a while which found some decent results, but I found my car after taking a peek at Autotrader.com which I hadn't really been doing. AutoTempest is a good aggregation site.
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All 1 series are coupes, so no issue there
Well, I meant slicktop vs convertible. Most of the for sale sites differentiate this as coupe vs convertible.

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M-Sport package I'd recommend as well, though much of what it has can be added but I don't think it's worth the cost / effort / and they are definitely better seats, etc. so I'd stick with this as a must-have
That's exactly what I was thinking - get it with the options already there since adding what I want afterwards would add up quickly.

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You will have to open up your color options or severely limit your already limited options
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I'm set on this. I've always been a fan of white cars, bought a silver one for my last car and still HATE that it's silver 10yrs later. I'd probably compromise on the other stuff (older car or maybe even a 128) before I compromise on color.

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I don't think you'll find a 135i M-Sport without xenons but could be wrong
I did see that somewhere but wasn't sure it was true. It's little things like this I'm still trying to learn.

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Stereos can be upgraded but yes the idrive screen is nice to see what you are listening to, this can be a factor but you might have to concede this one, like the color might have to be conceded
Yeah, idrive is not a deal breaker. It'd be nice - mainly for a backup camera - but that's it.


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You want my car, I considered selling it but decided to keep it. White M-Sport, 6-speed, 27k miles, xenons, meticulously maintained, exhaust / spoiler / tint / LCI taillights, HK Audio, Nav w/ screen, sunroof, heated seats, etc. This took me almost 6 months to find so all I can say is - you'll get there, just be patient. And be prepared to spend a little extra when you do find the one you want.
Well, if you do decide to sell... But yeah, I'm not in a huge rush. My daily is still running and I plan to do some needed maintenance on it anyway to prep it for sale later on. I have no problem waiting and would rather wait 6-12 months and get what I want rather than buy something tomorrow I'm not completely happy with.
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1. I prefer private sales; you can really get a good sense if the car has been well looked after. Especially quiz about maintenance and repairs.
2. 1 or 2 owner
3. maintenance records: this is critical. The 135's can have lots of issues-you need to know what has been done and what has not. Needless to say, a PPI is recommended. Records should show at least 2 oil changes per year.
4. no paint work (or minimal) hence no accidents. My car had a hood scratch repaired due to kids basketball. I've had my car 8 yrs now-no problems.
5. ask the owner what brand tires on car. If they know=good. If they don't=not so good. Tires-Michelin, Bridgestone, Toyo (and most of the tires sold by The Tire Rack) = good. Wang Ho Super=not so good
6. join BMWCCA immediately. There are hundreds of CCA members in your area who would be more than willing to help you out. They know the cars and they know the best garages.
Good Luck; I flew down and drove back 1200 miles to get the car I wanted.
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Your list of wants is pretty much the same as mine was, except for the colors. I bought my 2012 135i M Sport 6MT with 33k miles in 2017 for $22k from CarMax and love it. I don't think they list their cars on any other website so search CarMax as well.

I actually prefer to buy cars without iDrive so that I can upgrade with a screen myself to the latest tech. Here's what I did for around $500: https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1510420 . It has Android 8.0 so you can run any app you want, supports Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, and I added a trunk handle backup camera for $35.
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Be patient. Don't be antsy. The right deal will appear and you will jump on it. Until then, hold on. I know it's exciting, but don't cheat yourself out of what you truly want just for instant gratification.

Biggest thing is don't sell yourself the car before you buy it. Then you may have a tendency to overlook flaws and undesirable options.

BUT. Be ready to make a move. If you see THE car, DO NOT SLEEP. You'll know when you find it, don't hesitate, because someone else WILL snatch it up.

Use BMWVin.com to verify options, do not trust dealers. They often use generic VIN scanners which aren't always accurate.

I got lucky when I got mine. I looked for about 3 weeks before I found it, only 20min away. It was such a fresh listing there wasn't a price or any pictures. They literally got the car in on either Friday or Saturday, and I bought it Monday. I called to verify its existence, they told me if I showed up today they'd knock $1000 off, and that's all I needed to hear.

Also use every resource you can. I used Cars.com for a while which found some decent results, but I found my car after taking a peek at Autotrader.com which I hadn't really been doing. AutoTempest is a good aggregation site.
Thanks for the BMWvin.com link - I'd seen a link to that (or another vin decoder?) previously but had forgotten about it. That will be very helpful. You mention Autotempest - I keep trying that site but never have good results. For some reason it doesn't seem to bring up a lot of the vehicles I'm able to find on various sites directly.



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1. I prefer private sales; you can really get a good sense if the car has been well looked after. Especially quiz about maintenance and repairs.
2. 1 or 2 owner
3. maintenance records: this is critical. The 135's can have lots of issues-you need to know what has been done and what has not. Needless to say, a PPI is recommended. Records should show at least 2 oil changes per year.
4. no paint work (or minimal) hence no accidents. My car had a hood scratch repaired due to kids basketball. I've had my car 8 yrs now-no problems.
5. ask the owner what brand tires on car. If they know=good. If they don't=not so good. Tires-Michelin, Bridgestone, Toyo (and most of the tires sold by The Tire Rack) = good. Wang Ho Super=not so good
6. join BMWCCA immediately. There are hundreds of CCA members in your area who would be more than willing to help you out. They know the cars and they know the best garages.
Good Luck; I flew down and drove back 1200 miles to get the car I wanted.
Thanks! Looks like we're on the same page - same concerns and tips I have used when shopping for other vehicles. Is there a CCA forum or anything? I was definitely looking at joining. There's a meet this weekend at a friend's shop co-sponsored by BMWCCA so I may even sign up before I get a car, lol.



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Your list of wants is pretty much the same as mine was, except for the colors. I bought my 2012 135i M Sport 6MT with 33k miles in 2017 for $22k from CarMax and love it. I don't think they list their cars on any other website so search CarMax as well.

I actually prefer to buy cars without iDrive so that I can upgrade with a screen myself to the latest tech. Here's what I did for around $500: https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1510420 . It has Android 8.0 so you can run any app you want, supports Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, and I added a trunk handle backup camera for $35.
That car sounds perfect! Although, of course I'd want it in white After taxes and what not a $22k sticker is gonna be a tinge on the high side for me. But, I'll keep waiting and see what I can find.

I'm very comfortable doing audio mods although would prefer not to spend much time in that arena these days. I was mainly thinking idrive for the screen so that I could upgrade/adapt with other stuff. For example the backup camera kits I've seen (although they seem very pricey).

I actually saw your thread about that Joying head unit and I'm really intrigued. In your post you have a picture of the side of the head unit as seen from the passenger side. It looks like part of the "guts" (for lack of a better term) of the head unit are exposed. Is this just a "during install" pic or is that how the head unit sits?
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That car sounds perfect! Although, of course I'd want it in white After taxes and what not a $22k sticker is gonna be a tinge on the high side for me. But, I'll keep waiting and see what I can find.

I'm very comfortable doing audio mods although would prefer not to spend much time in that arena these days. I was mainly thinking idrive for the screen so that I could upgrade/adapt with other stuff. For example the backup camera kits I've seen (although they seem very pricey).

I actually saw your thread about that Joying head unit and I'm really intrigued. In your post you have a picture of the side of the head unit as seen from the passenger side. It looks like part of the "guts" (for lack of a better term) of the head unit are exposed. Is this just a "during install" pic or is that how the head unit sits?
Yeah I think CarMax does sell at a premium so I paid on the high side even 1 year ago, but it was mint condition and like everyone is saying, when you find a car with all the options that you want you just have to jump on it.

The headunit does sit like that because I adjusted the mounting points to raise the screen but then the ribbon cable connector on the screen also rises outside the single DIN opening and hits the fascia of the dash kit. You can use these mounting point extenders that they give you, but then there's also an optional metal shield that goes along the top and sides which won't fit well with the extenders, leaving the mounting points exposed. So I ended up just pulling the headunit out a little, not using the extenders, and using the shield, as shown in that picture. I suppose I could fashion a better shield out of a black plastic folder or something, but since you don't see it from the driver's seat I can't be bothered.
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Good luck finding one, Colin! It seems like you know what you want. Getting the color you want makes it tougher. It will probably take a while, but don't settle for something other than what you want. You'll be kicking yourself if you do. Local will be a tough thing to find, but definitely look for a sun state car. Northeast and northern Midwest cars will have corrosion issues if they are daily year round drivers, not with body so much as fasteners and brake lines. Welcome to the forum, and keep your eyes on the cars for sale forum-you never know what will pop up!
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These are for the 2013 models but will be similar for back to 2011.

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=692312

The 'ordering guides' will have a better breakdown of what the available options are.
If you're using a advanced search method checking some boxes might be removing cars it shouldn't.


I looked for about 9 months before I found/bought my car. Drove 2 others locally and mine fit what I wanted. Been very happy with it.


Far as price curve, I had watched prices pretty close trying to make sure I wasn't going to overpay too much. I missed it by about 8 months. Prices fell sharply and I paid about $2k more than I should have. But I'm so happy with the car I really don't care.
So I'd say right now you're in a bubble. Give it a year and they will come down a fair amount. Part of my thought is at that time more used 2'ers will be filtering into the market. Warranty was 4yr/50K miles. So they are due to start coming back. That will drive prices of older generation cars down.


Part of the 'jump on the car you want' mentality is correct. At the price they are going for many are buying and modifying (I did). So if you wait longer you might end up with someone else's modified problems. It's always nicer to start with a clean slate. BUT, there can be good value in buying an already modified car. Catch 22.
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It's kind of funny to be reading this thread; no disrespect meant to the OP.

The marketplace has been telling us that these 1-Series cars aren't worth jack shit for at least the last couple of years. Any highfalutin expectation that these cars would ultimately be valuable has been repeatedly shot down.

And yet, you can't find a good one, or at least not easily.

Someone please explain this to me.
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It's kind of funny to be reading this thread; no disrespect meant to the OP.

The marketplace has been telling us that these 1-Series cars aren't worth jack shit for at least the last couple of years. Any highfalutin expectation that these cars would ultimately be valuable has been repeatedly shot down.

And yet, you can't find a good one, or at least not easily.

Someone please explain this to me.
Good ones are hard to come by, and when you do, you will pay to get one. Mine is a perfect example. I had convinced myself that I wanted to sell, so I put it in the classifieds for $18500 (2011 DCT, 17k). Within a week I had a full asking price offer from a guy in Chicago. Not bad for a car we bought for 37500 7 years ago. Ultimately, I decided that I'd miss it too much and even at that amount it isn't worth selling, so I kept it.
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