Looks aside - 135i > 235i

[Overpar56]

The first time I saw a 1 I thought it was ugly. But the 1 is like a woman. The more you look at her and the more she does for you, you really start to like her. From certain angles, it's really an attractive car. Side profile is the worst, but the 3/4 view from the rear is best.

I think the 2 is attractive in a more generic BMW way, but I like the 1 better.

[gregthegr8]

Originally Posted by Overpar56

The first time I saw a 1 I thought it was ugly. But the 1 is like a woman. The more you look at her and the more she does for you, you really start to like her. From certain angles, it's really an attractive car. Side profile is the worst, but the 3/4 view from the rear is best.

I think the 2 is attractive in a more generic BMW way, but I like the 1 better.

Eh, the more I look at a woman, the more bored I get, and the less she does for me...unless perhaps she has a younger sister I can parlay it into. But I digress.

I actually love the side profile and think 3/4 from the FRONT is the best angle. I imagine everyone can agree that from the direct back, that's probably the worst angle.

The 2 from the side seems to look almost identical to the 1, though I'm not sure why they integrated the door handle into the shoulder line. I prefer how ours look. So here are two lovely side shots of both my 1's. =)

[Chunner]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

lol i was actually banned from the 2-series forum at one point....did you know that? They reinstated me because i wanted to follow M2 news and asked them to. I couldn't even see the 2-series forum when i logged on! They are a defensive bunch, especially about those M badges. I think it's because they are taking plenty of crap from people about the 16 badges already! lol.

I promised i wouldn't antagonize the 235 forum anymore.....lol. In their defense, i guess they are just excited about their cars. Fair enough...

The 2er forum is getting out of hand. Way out of hand. They are now comparing their m235i with the 1M and claiming how the m235i is the better and funner daily driver car. effing blasphemy.

Those 16 M badges has gotten the whole lot of them crazy.

(See post 49 an on)
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...=976139&page=3

[killerhurtalot]

Originally Posted by Chunner

The 2er forum is getting out of hand. Way out of hand. They are now comparing their m235i with the 1M and claiming how the m235i is the better and funner daily driver car. effing blasphemy.

Those 16 M badges has gotten the whole lot of them crazy.

(See post 49 an on)
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...=976139&page=3

Lol. I'll laugh when they side off the track because their electric steering doesn't allow them to feel the wheels slipping.

And their corners... No LSD lol...

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Chunner

The 2er forum is getting out of hand. Way out of hand. They are now comparing their m235i with the 1M and claiming how the m235i is the better and funner daily driver car. effing blasphemy.

Those 16 M badges has gotten the whole lot of them crazy.

(See post 49 an on)
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...139&page=3

the funniest is the guy saying you're a troll because you can't afford one! lol!! delusional is an understatement...

[jeremicium]

If only you guys could take a step back and read this thread. Sound like a bunch of teenagers high fiving each other about how much better you guys are than those 2 series owners. Those guys over on 2 forums are so delusional, comparing their car to the 1M...M badges blah blah blah.

As an outsider looking in, I see a bunch of new owners of the M235i excited about their car. I've seen plenty of critical comments from 2 owners, as well as much love. But more than anything I see a bunch of 1 series owners trying to rain on their parade...for no good reason.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by Chunner

The 2er forum is getting out of hand. Way out of hand. They are now comparing their m235i with the 1M and claiming how the m235i is the better and funner daily driver car. effing blasphemy.

Those 16 M badges has gotten the whole lot of them crazy.

(See post 49 an on)
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...=976139&page=3

Originally Posted by killerhurtalot

Lol. I'll laugh when they side off the track because their electric steering doesn't allow them to feel the wheels slipping.

And their corners... No LSD lol...

Well I think I recall reading the m235i put down a better lap time than the 1M on the ring. And for the first time, you can get this car optioned with a LSD from the performance catalog. But once the M2 comes out, there won't be any comparison for sure.

I WILL SAY though the m235i RACE CAR is beautiful. 80k buys you a full fledged race car from BMW factory, fraction of the price of a Porsche Cup Car and I'm sure the maintenance and engine rebuilds will be far less costly as well. That's the only m235i I would really care for lol.

[edisapimp]

Originally Posted by gregthegr8

Eh, the more I look at a woman, the more bored I get, and the less she does for me...unless perhaps she has a younger sister I can parlay it into. But I digress.=)

Literally BURST out laughing.

Thank you for that!

[doublevanosrc]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Have you driven one? Its an all round better car with a much better suspension.

Faster doesn't mean better.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by jeremicium

If only you guys could take a step back and read this thread. Sound like a bunch of teenagers high fiving each other about how much better you guys are than those 2 series owners. Those guys over on 2 forums are so delusional, comparing their car to the 1M...M badges blah blah blah.

As an outsider looking in, I see a bunch of new owners of the M235i excited about their car. I've seen plenty of critical comments from 2 owners, as well as much love. But more than anything I see a bunch of 1 series owners trying to rain on their parade...for no good reason.

It's always struck me as ridiculous that automotive enthusiasts who own slightly different cars seem to feel those other guys are inferior, or made bad choices. When they have _far_ more in common than they do with most people, driving their Toyota Camrys, etc.

This forum does take that to new heights. 128s versus 135s. 1-series versus 2 series. BMW owners have a reputation for being elitist snobs, could this be what's going on?

I like cars. And I like people who like cars. Not that many of us left these days, as BMW's runflat obsession demonstrates.

[jmcphillips1]

WRONG

[Chunner]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

the funniest is the guy saying you're a troll because you can't afford one! lol!! delusional is an understatement...

#1) Me? A troll? What is that?

#2) I cant afford one? funny... lol... blasphemy... stupid ... lol

#3) I tired responding to that post but apparently the thread has been closed. Which I think is a bit silly. Those m235i guys should grow thicker skin. Geesh, all I did was post a Road & Track article. What did I do wrong? Welcome to addicts I say....

[Worra]

Originally Posted by Chunner

#1) Me? A troll? What is that?

#2) I cant afford one? funny... lol... blasphemy... stupid ... lol

#3) I tired responding to that post but apparently the thread has been closed. Which I think is a bit silly. Those m235i guys should grow thicker skin. Geesh, all I did was post a Road & Track article. What did I do wrong? Welcome to addicts I say....

Despite the fact that I agree with you on almost all points, I think you got a lot of flak for posting that article when it had already been posted before. Almost every forum I've been on is a place where people will really jump down your throat for a repost.

I think another cause for so much 1 series vs. 2 series argument is BMW marketing. They put so much fanfare into the 2-series launch, comparing it to the classic 2002 and so on...hardly touching on the fact that the 1-series also had these qualities - thus current 1-series owners may feel "overlooked". But this is marketing, they don't want to highlight how nice the car they just stopped selling is, they want to sell the new models.

Back on topic....I definitely prefer the 1-series looks in almost every way to the 2. I've seen the 2 in person (but I haven't driven it so I'll refrain from commenting on that) and it's got a couple decent angles (side profile), but it generally just looks soft, and I really hate the rear end. Not to mention all the gizmos it comes with that I have a hard time stomaching in something that's supposed to be a more "pure" driving experience.

[Chunner]

Originally Posted by Worra

Despite the fact that I agree with you on almost all points, I think you got a lot of flak for posting that article when it had already been posted before. Almost every forum I've been on is a place where people will really jump down your throat for a repost.

I honestly did not know the article had been posted there. Next time, I will do a search but ya know that search tab is not the best. It pulls up everything.

But still, funny as hell. I love it.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by Qunadry

Try a 135i with real tires instead of run-flats!

I am aware of what get flats can do. Have 245/35 X 275/30 Conti DW on my 335is. Out the factory door the 235 will out handle the 135. Change the tires on the 135 then change the tires on the 235 same outcome.

135IS is a secondary car so saw no need for get flat tires till the RFT die. 335is got new rubber at 1500 miles. FWIW the RFT on the 135 were better than the ones on the 335.

You can add aftermarket parts, tires etc to anything to change its performance but generally the better the base you start with the better the results.. 235 is a better base than the 135.

[NYHoustonman]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

I am aware of what get flats can do. Have 245/35 X 275/30 Conti DW on my 335is. Out the factory door the 235 will out handle the 135. Change the tires on the 135 then change the tires on the 235 same out come.

You can add aftermarket to anything to change its performance but generally the better the base you start with the better the results.

I get what you're saying and would generally agree, but I don't think that's the case here.

Simply changing the tires on the 135i to the spec used on the M235i, in the front at least (PSS 225mm), makes a huge difference and serves to level the playing field a bit. The difference in front-end grip is pretty huge, even if this change alone doesn't serve to neutralize the car completely. It's not a matter of slapping slicks on the thing and claiming better skidpad numbers, rather it's giving the 135i the same 'shoes' as the M235i uses.

I'd bet that, given 'similar' springs/dampers/tires, performance would be very similar. I don't think the M235i is necessarily the 'better' platform (from what I've read, alignment specifications are similar, I don't think it uses M-specified bushings, etc.), it's just configured in a more enthusiast-friendly way out of the box.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by NYHoustonman

it's just configured in a more enthusiast-friendly way out of the box.

Exactly, out of the box or out of the factory it will perform better. BTW a 215 to 225 jump can put down an additional 0.3" in tread width.

Might not have M pieces, have no idea, but unless the engineers are brain dead a fresh chassis design will be better than one based on an 2004 model. Lots of things can change for the better in 10 years.

[bbbbmw]

When I saw a 235i at the dealer, it seemed like the body shell of the car (especially the greenhouse) looked just like the 135i - it looked like they just changed the front and rear clips, but it was using the same structure. Now that I see the performance numbers are so similar, I'm thinking that may be exactly what they did? I haven't looked at any specifications, though (e.g. frame and interior dimensions), so maybe I'm wrong.

[inFamousKicks]

I think they've definitely upgraded the 2 in every way possible from the 1, there's no denying that. But at the end of the day, I prefer the 135 over the 235. I can definitely see how it's fun for each party to get under each other's skin, but let the 2 guys enjoy their new cars.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy

It's always struck me as ridiculous that automotive enthusiasts who own slightly different cars seem to feel those other guys are inferior, or made bad choices. When they have _far_ more in common than they do with most people, driving their Toyota Camrys, etc.

This forum does take that to new heights. 128s versus 135s. 1-series versus 2 series. BMW owners have a reputation for being elitist snobs, could this be what's going on?

I like cars. And I like people who like cars. Not that many of us left these days, as BMW's runflat obsession demonstrates.

i think this isn't about BMW owners....because i saw this in Audi owners circles too....and i'm pretty sure the same happens on ANY car forum.

i think this ass-ish attitude is a part of 'car culture'....which is a pretty insulting thing to be a part of these days. Mindless, materialistic drivel...i've been trying to leave car culture for a while now..but i keep getting sucked in.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by new2the3

Besides from the exterior looks and updated interior I think the driving dynamics on the 135i are better. This is an interesting review by road and track where they found the 135i was more fun and they would still take the "old ugly car"

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...2014-bmw-m235i

I certainly am still loving my 09 N54 135i with 6mt.

Thats disappointing

[NYHoustonman]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Exactly, out of the box or out of the factory it will perform better. BTW a 215 to 225 jump can put down an additional 0.3" in tread width.

Might not have M pieces, have no idea, but unless the engineers are brain dead a fresh chassis design will be better than one based on an 2004 model. Lots of things can change for the better in 10 years.

Oh, certainly...

The only thing I know with certainty is that it's bigger and heavier .