Still want an EV? (NO POLITICS)

[pbonsalb]

Even green stuff like forests catch on fire.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

This whole thread should just be renamed as, "GASLIGHTING"...

How about “All cars catch on fire, hide your kids and never leave your dungeon!!!”

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by DrVenture

My 1998 Explorer, in fine state of repair and only a few years old, was recalled because the brake light switch was improperly engineered resulting in igniting the brake fluid. Burned down a few garages and we were told not to park indoors.

There was a safety recall for certain 2020-2024 Telluride vehicles (460,000) because front power seat motor could overheat, potentially resulting in a fire.

As of March 2024 more than 3.7 million cars that are currently on the road have a "park outside" recall, according to recent data from Carfax.

There was a recall for 3.3 million Kia and Hyundai vehicles issued to park outside for fire risk due to an electrical short from a brake fluid leak.

General Motors has announced a recall of potentially 40,428 Chevrolet Silverado trucks thanks to an increased fire risk and is encouraging owners to park outside for the time being. According to the Associated Press, the recall impacts 2019 through 2023 4500HD, 5500HD and 6500HD models.

This is just from 3 minutes of searching and mostly just the recent past, and all newer vehicles. All are hardware issues and unrelated to discipline. Many EV fires are the result of battery damage or severe accidents.

Some of the newer battery technologies in development are far less subject to fire.

Manufacturing defects, not innate chemical composition of the fuel source that self ignights and has thermal runaway.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Manufacturing defects, not innate chemical composition of the fuel source that self ignights and has thermal runaway.

EV batteries do not just spontaneously ignite, otherwise your phone, tablet, computer, garmin devices, etc., would have just up and caught fire already. It's literally the exact same thing, damage or manufacturing defect. I had a subaru that would leak from the fuel rails when it was cold.

Here's one I saw this winter. Not one I picked from a confirmation-bias feed, or someone's fanatical agenda, just real-life observation.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Even green stuff like forests catch on fire.

The recent Canadian forest fires that spread smoke into US also on a large scale have never been fully explained as to the causes.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by RM7

EV batteries do not just spontaneously ignite, otherwise your phone, tablet, computer, garmin devices, etc., would have just up and caught fire already. It's literally the exact same thing, damage or manufacturing defect. I had a subaru that would leak from the fuel rails when it was cold.

Here's one I saw this winter. Not one I picked from a confirmation-bias feed, or someone's fanatical agenda, just real-life observation.

I've never said all Li-Ion batteries self ignite and never implied all Li-Ion devices catch fire. What I did say is Li-Ion batteries contain an oxidizer within the chemical make up of the apparatus that lends itself to spontaneous combustion. I said that in contrast to gasoline and diesel fuel (automobiles) which do not innately contain an oxidizer within the chemical make up of the fuel. Gasoline and diesel need a separate ignition source (heat) and a separate source of oxygen and the proper fuel-to-oxygen ratio to ignite. There is an intrinsic difference between the fuel sources.

[Dégoûté]

** screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee **

[M5Rick]

^ I know, nails on the blackboard

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The recent Canadian forest fires that spread smoke into US also on a large scale have never been fully explained as to the causes.

Well, I've read what the causes were, but (NO POLITICS)... The smoke was so intense and visibility so poor it removed the mountains from sight where I live, which is Central Virginia.

[Dégoûté]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^ I know, nails on the blackboard

So you aren’t being serious and this is just trolling?

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The recent Canadian forest fires that spread smoke into US also on a large scale have never been fully explained as to the causes.

https://open.alberta.ca/publications...son-statistics
Government of Alberta released, not in 2024 yet but from 2023, but over 65% of them over the past 5 years is human error, and over 30% is lightning strikes

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Dégoûté

So you aren’t being serious and this is just trolling?

Unless you have something of value to add then you can expect similar responses to what you have presented, which frankly is little.
What I suggest is that you try somewhere else if all you make are childish comments.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Dégoûté

So you aren’t being serious and this is just trolling?

I've been quite serious with my posts. Yours to-date have had zero content.

[Dégoûté]

Ad hominem attack

** screeeeeeeeeeeeee **

Just say you dont like EVs. It would carry far more weight than trying to pervert logic to meet your predetermined position.

[Dégoûté]

Hydrogen is the real enemy: https://autos.yahoo.com/toyota-mirai...171500247.html

TW edit: if you read politics into this, you have missed the point.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Dégoûté

Hydrogen is the real enemy: https://autos.yahoo.com/toyota-mirai...171500247.html

What this has to do with EV's and gas cars is few and far between and the hydrogen car used as a weapon by an army in your news clip borders on the political with this news so I ask you review your content before posting and to read the rules please.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The recent Canadian forest fires that spread smoke into US also on a large scale have never been fully explained as to the causes.

That's a great launch point for conspiracy theories and trying to "fill the void" for emotional comfort.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by RM7

That's a great launch point for conspiracy theories and trying to "fill the void" for emotional comfort.

No 'fill the void' or anything like that however much that sounds to you, I asked a question and Kyriian answered it with the facts, it affected a lot of people in the States and the subject didn't originally come up from me.
By the way that's a good pic you posted of a luckless owners' suv with a fuel leak (think I've seen it earlier here) that wasn't serviced on time I presume, in those temps where you live things like that can happen more readily.

[DrVenture]

There is a lot going on in battery tech to further address fires. New designs and new chemical compositions. Problems with cellphone and laptop batteries have been addressed through engineering. Lots of things in life are inherently dangerous, but risks are mitigated and change occurs.

Anyone's house could burn down from their laptop or cellphone, but we aren't going to design tiny little ICE generators to run them. We improve the design. We fix the flaws. EVs are about what is coming, not what is now. Anyone would scoff at suggesting ICE vehicles were flawed based on factors relating to the Model T.

Without getting too far off topic, we are spending much time discussing current batteries, when new designs and compositions are already addressing these concerns. This is a good read which discusses this issue from many angles. No cherry-picking to win internet points. Just science.

https://www.fastcompany.com/91170534...es-on-the-rise

“Lithium ion batteries don’t commit suicide. They are murdered by people,” says Newcastle University’s Christensen, whose research focuses on thermal runaway and propagation in large lithium ion battery systems. “The human factor is always in there somewhere.” Some are designed wrong, some are handled wrong and some are built wrong. Some are accident related. All of these things are addressable. Just like with ICE vehicles.

"Solid-state batteries are more efficient, packing more power with the same size battery. As a result, EV batteries could become more compact, charge faster and weigh less, which could increase range. Solid-state batteries are believed to last longer — with up to seven times more recharges during their lifetime, according to CAR Magazine. They’re also believed to be safer, because the solid electrolyte material is fireproof..."

Toyota is expected to start using these in cars by 2026. BMW by 2030.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Manufacturing defects, not innate chemical composition of the fuel source that self ignights and has thermal runaway.

I sure hope you don't have a cell phone, laptop, or literally any rechargeable electronic device in your home, they're apparently innately ready to ignite and burn your house down at any moment.

And yes, sometimes they do. But also, just about everything else can catch fire too... so either live your life in fear, or don't. But blaming EV's for a few car fires when ICE vehicles have been proven to be more dangerous is just silly.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The recent Canadian forest fires that spread smoke into US also on a large scale have never been fully explained as to the causes.

Our last president figured it out. They don't rake the forest like Finland does.

[Dégoûté]

Uh oh.

Vehicle fire on Staten Island Expressway closes lanes
https://www.silive.com/news/2024/08/...ses-lanes.html