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The M1 will get a tweaked version of the N55--not sure what that means yet, but there are theories out there. What ends up going in the E82 M1 will the basis for the F30 M3 engine. The F20 M1 will get a new 4 cylinder turbo engine... As already mentioned, this news is months old....
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06-29-2010, 12:00 PM | #310 |
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Last 3 posters, I understand and agree with what you all say. My point is if N55 (or S55) goes into M3 , why would any one buy an M3? Don't you think there is too much overlap? Assuming suspension, diff, etc. are shared with M1.
I see most upgrading the tune of M1 to match M3. If M1 gets the I-4 version and M3 the I-6 version, ok problem solved. |
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06-29-2010, 01:12 PM | #313 | |
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Another point that results from this information is that the engine going into the E82 M1 will obviously: 1. have a much higher output capability than the 350 BHP we assume the E82 M1 is getting, since the F30 M3 is rumored to produce in the range of 450 BHP and; 2. The engine is obviously not a "dog" if it will be the basis for the F30 M3, or the next generation of BMW's most widely known and acclaimed car.
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06-29-2010, 01:13 PM | #314 | |
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Basically look at it like what AMG does with the 5.5 and 6.2 engines. It's funny because someone on here has a quote the M division had said about putting the same engine in different cars. IMHO, I think BMW kinda went backwards, it should have been a Turbo I6 for the E9x M3, and then a V8---but in today's world it makes sense. |
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06-29-2010, 01:44 PM | #315 | |
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A) the 6cyl. e82 M1 will blow away the 4cyl. f20 M1 due to overwhelming power and torque advantages. B) the f20 M1 will blow away the e82 M1 due to a more evolved chassis, lower weight and nearly equivalent power and torque to weight ratios from a super highly tuned ultra-high revving 4cyl. |
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06-29-2010, 02:21 PM | #316 | |
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Most of the current turbo 4cylinder engines I have driven redline between 6-7grand. They will just throw more boost through to compensate for displacement. |
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06-29-2010, 02:48 PM | #317 | |
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In a way the new 1er and 3er share the same platform matrix , in this case it is a new modular platform that can be stretched or shrunk and be applied to MINI also. This is a new cost effective platform which means that more proditable variants can be created off one platform, meaning more profitability. This is what BMW has invested in when our competitors were investing in their Sports cars . Again like Efficient Dynamics we have caught the competition completely offguard and they are scrambling to add to their product mix. The key important segments for the next decade is the MINI segment , Compact segment , Mid-Compact Sports Sedan segment that is why there will be great expansion within the MINI , Sub-BMW 1er , BMW 1er and 3er model lines. |
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06-29-2010, 04:43 PM | #318 | |
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I am glad BMW keeps a 6-spd manual in the F10 550, given it's engine it can have good tuning potential for people like me that will be looking for near M5 power but are adamant about having a manual. I guess I will die a dinosaur, wanting 'old school' technology
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06-29-2010, 09:56 PM | #320 |
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I think this is the right focus. As long as the "Sub-BMW 1er" is not FWD.
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The chassis will be just as good in each; just driven by the wheels required by that segment. BMW is onto something with this approach as it allows them to keep costs down and to build the car the buyers want. Most people in the EU pass on the 1er for another brand (even though BMW sells a lot of them) because the trunk and rear leg room is occupied by the drivetrain, not so functional. MINIs are FWD and drive better than many RWD cars so it is not out the question BMW could build a 1 that is FWD and nearly mimics RWD performance/driving.
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You can thank to good old US of A for those- people just could not swallow SMG. The cars were initially designed as SMG only and the performance showed that, as did the engine character. SMG was a much better choice in both.
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Would BMW ///M division like to forget about the E60 and E63 manual cars? I hope they don't, because they can learn from their mistakes! They either didn't have to offer a manual at all, or offer a PROPER manual - one built from the ground up and suited for this car, as opposed to use spare parts off the 545i bin, and on top of it all cripple the car with ridiculous non-defeat stability controls. No wonder all the magazines, jounalists, and of course owners were unhappy. So the the ///M division, "A" for listening to its customers, "D" for execution. Next time, make up your mind, if you decide to 'cave in' on what customers want, make sure it meets the high caliber ///M Division standards, or else don't offer it at all. One needs to learn from ones mistakes, not forget about them!
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Apologies for the lack of posting , I have a busy summer ahead in terms of upcoming projects that will launch just before the end of the year, one which commenced shooting on Monday.
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