DIY: Register and Code a New Battery (comprehensive guide)

[phish]

Hi, after following this guide https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1338304 (option #5) to modify VO in order to change from a lead acid to AGM battery I received the following error after the very last step after clicking F1 Code Car in NCS expert. Every step before this last one worked fine.

This is from my NCSExpert error log:

[18:31:57.953] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2000 Error LFCDHDIA.CPP (A_E65R.IPS/IPO) CDHapiResultText 1
[18:31:57.953] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] Fehler in EDIABAS oder in SG-Beschreibungsdatei SYS-0008: Job nicht gefunden RDCKWP

[18:31:58.114] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2000 Error COAPI2.CPP coapiRunCabd 6
[18:31:58.114] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] Fehler in EDIABAS oder in SG-Beschreibungsdatei CODIERINDEX_LESEN

[18:31:58.156] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2000 Error COAPI.CPP coapiReadCodierIndexFromSg 5
[18:31:58.156] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] Fehler in EDIABAS oder in SG-Beschreibungsdatei CODIERINDEX_LESEN: A_E65R

[18:32:05.619] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2020 Error LFCDHDIA.CPP (A_E65DR.IPS/IPO) CDHapiResultText 1
[18:32:05.619] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] SG antwortet nicht IFH-0009: SG nicht angeschlossen oder meldet sich nicht ULF2_HI

[18:32:05.762] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2020 Error COAPI2.CPP coapiRunCabd 6
[18:32:05.762] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] SG antwortet nicht CODIERDATEN_LESEN

================================================== ==============================(9)

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

[bbnks2]

Originally Posted by phish

Hi, after following this guide https://www.1addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1338304 (option #5) to modify VO in order to change from a lead acid to AGM battery I received the following error after the very last step after clicking F1 Code Car in NCS expert. Every step before this last one worked fine.

This is from my NCSExpert error log:

[18:31:57.953] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2000 Error LFCDHDIA.CPP (A_E65R.IPS/IPO) CDHapiResultText 1
[18:31:57.953] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] Fehler in EDIABAS oder in SG-Beschreibungsdatei SYS-0008: Job nicht gefunden RDCKWP

[18:31:58.114] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2000 Error COAPI2.CPP coapiRunCabd 6
[18:31:58.114] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] Fehler in EDIABAS oder in SG-Beschreibungsdatei CODIERINDEX_LESEN

[18:31:58.156] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2000 Error COAPI.CPP coapiReadCodierIndexFromSg 5
[18:31:58.156] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] Fehler in EDIABAS oder in SG-Beschreibungsdatei CODIERINDEX_LESEN: A_E65R

[18:32:05.619] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2020 Error LFCDHDIA.CPP (A_E65DR.IPS/IPO) CDHapiResultText 1
[18:32:05.619] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] SG antwortet nicht IFH-0009: SG nicht angeschlossen oder meldet sich nicht ULF2_HI

[18:32:05.762] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] 2020 Error COAPI2.CPP coapiRunCabd 6
[18:32:05.762] [2018-04-19] [SERIE] SG antwortet nicht CODIERDATEN_LESEN

================================================== ==============================(9)

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Might have something to do with the DATEN files used?

Instead of process entire car you can process the 2 modules that have been identified as being affected:

"Then I didn't want to process the whole car since I saw some people got problems with that.

So I did:
- SG_CODIEREN > CAS
- SG_CODIEREN > NFRM "

[phish]

Just as a follow-up I believe the issue was that I was using a profile with manipulation enabled (as the guide incorrectly stated).

I used the default profile and reset the CAS and NFRM modules and then the battery type that I changed showed up properly.

So no need to process car and make sure you have manipulation disabled when resetting the modules.

I also updated my DATEN files before I did all this but not sure if I needed that or not.

[bbnks2]

Originally Posted by phish

Just as a follow-up I believe the issue was that I was using a profile with manipulation enabled (as the guide incorrectly stated).

I used the default profile and reset the CAS and NFRM modules and then the battery type that I changed showed up properly.

So no need to process car and make sure you have manipulation disabled when resetting the modules.

I also updated my DATEN files before I did all this but not sure if I needed that or not.

Manipulation must be enabled in order to change coding manually. That is where it is stated.

[JHZR2]

If I were to buy an ICOM and pay the $30 for a day's access to BMW OSS, I'd essentially get option 5, right?

Downside Is what? Having to pay a fee to do anything (e.g. Brake fluid flush abs activation)? The $$$ icom unit (assuming I get a genuine one)?

Upside is that I could diagnose, code and update anything and everything on the car, and implement any repairs for any items, right?

I'm somewhat hesitant personally to do a whole lot via unofficial processes, especially since I'd be booting off a mac and haven't kept up with windows sw in many years.

Thanks!

[bNks334]

Originally Posted by JHZR2

If I were to buy an ICOM and pay the $30 for a day's access to BMW OSS, I'd essentially get option 5, right?

Downside Is what? Having to pay a fee to do anything (e.g. Brake fluid flush abs activation)? The $$$ icom unit (assuming I get a genuine one)?

Upside is that I could diagnose, code and update anything and everything on the car, and implement any repairs for any items, right?

I'm somewhat hesitant personally to do a whole lot via unofficial processes, especially since I'd be booting off a mac and haven't kept up with windows sw in many years.

Thanks!

From what I understand, BMWTools is legitimate freeware which is distributed from BMW Group. ISTA-D (Rheingold) and ISTA-P are NOT. These programs are what dealer techs use so that they don't actually need any knowledge to diagnose and fix a car lol. Commercial shops lease access to these systems like you suggest doing... The versions available on the internet are not for commercial use or distribution. They have been "hacked" to work offline.

I have not bothered to check if making battery setting changes in ISTA actually changes the $VO to match... That is something maybe someone else can confirm. My guess is that if you use an offline version of ISTA, or, you make manual edits to your $VO using winkfp, then BMWs database won't match. It would require quiet a bit of investigative effort on the dealers part to recognize that your current vehicle order ($VO) does not match how the car came off the factory floor.

With that being said, why would the dealer even care? The only thing I can think of is if you are trying to claim warranty work for something and the dealer investigates to find that you manually coded something that caused the problem. However, this is highly unlikely. Further, I've yet to come across any dealer/tech that even has this level of knowledge to come to this conclusion.

ISTA has native K-DCAN support. An actual ICOM connection is only really needed if you're programming the software of a module. That is NOT what is being done here and programming is almost NEVER required for ANYTHING. Not even the dealer bothers updating your programming unless you complain about a specific driveability issue that a software update specifically addresses (like stalling with DCT).

What we are doing here is editing some settings (variables in the software). Cars with iDrive can change some window and light settings without even needing to load up a program to do it... Also, I have programmed every module in my car using a K-DCAN cable (even my media module which took almost 20 hours to complete). It is not advisable though as there is a high risk of data interruption. Using a virtual machine is not an issue for processing coding changes but it does significantly increase the chances of failure of programming with a K-DCAN cable and I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you don't bother trying it.

[SamN]

Just purchased new 850a CCA AGM battery that does not exhibit an Ah rating. Given that, what Ah setting should be used to register the battery? 2012 135i manual US, Carly gen 2 OBD reader, IOS software. Thx!

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted by SamN

Just purchased new 850a CCA AGM battery that does not exhibit an Ah rating. Given that, what Ah setting should be used to register the battery? 2012 135i manual US, Carly gen 2 OBD reader, IOS software. Thx!

Im assuming you got an H8/group 49? If so, they are generally 90-92Ah.

If it is a different group size, then there is a different amount of lead and that number will differ.

[SamN]

Originally Posted by JHZR2

Im assuming you got an H8/group 49? If so, they are generally 90-92Ah.

If it is a different group size, then there is a different amount of lead and that number will differ.

Thx for info/help! No, H7. Rated 70 Ah.

[jus2sikwitit]

Quick question...maybe a dumb one but ill ask anyways. If you register your battery once....and you completely disconnect the battery...do you have to keep registering the battery everytime it is completely disconnected (power and ground).

[kioneo]

Originally Posted by jus2sikwitit

Quick question...maybe a dumb one but ill ask anyways. If you register your battery once....and you completely disconnect the battery...do you have to keep registering the battery everytime it is completely disconnected (power and ground).

No. So long as you are putting the same battery back in (that is not putting back in a new battery).

[gjm120]

I'm interested in coding a battery capacity change and learning how to do a little more.
Definitely don't want to delve into INPA etc so I'm thinking Rheingold ISTA+ is the way to go. These are really novice questions so please forgive me.
Is Rheingold standalone? Somewhere I got the impression it needs EDIABAS to run.

Does all other software such as MS Excel, Word, etc need to be off the machine to run Rheingold?

I see the software downloads priced anywhere from $11 to $112 to free (which scares me). What to look for if I decide to buy?

Maybe I should be asking all of this in the Coding Section on the E90 board, but, thought I'd try here first.

[bbnks2]

Originally Posted by gjm120

Maybe I should be asking all of this in the Coding Section on the E90 board, but, thought I'd try here first.

I've never bothered installing BMW tools on a standalone machine and I've never had issues. I think that is just fearmongering or past wisdoms before revisions were made to bring the software up to speed with modern operating systems.

You can get windows 10 versions of rheingold for free. Bimmer geeks offers a download link. It's a standalone program.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by bbnks2

I've never bothered installing BMW tools on a standalone machine and I've never had issues. I think that is just fearmongering or past wisdoms before revisions were made to bring the software up to speed with modern operating systems.

You can get windows 10 versions of rheingold for free. Bimmer geeks offers a download link. It's a standalone program.

Thanks for the feedback.
I found that link. Haven't downloaded it yet but it seems to be ISTA/D. My understanding is that ISTA/D will register a battery but not code. For coding I think ISTA/P is needed?

I'm starting to wonder if the INPA suite isn't the easier way. After looking into it for awhile it doesn't seem as difficult as first glance. Do you know if it needs a standalone machine or will setting up a VM work well enough?

[kioneo]

A VM is a great way to go. Just give it plenty of resources. The VM makes it easy to back up your install as well as move it from machine to machine.

[bNks334]

Originally Posted by gjm120

Thanks for the feedback.
I found that link. Haven't downloaded it yet but it seems to be ISTA/D. My understanding is that ISTA/D will register a battery but not code. For coding I think ISTA/P is needed?

I'm starting to wonder if the INPA suite isn't the easier way. After looking into it for awhile it doesn't seem as difficult as first glance. Do you know if it needs a standalone machine or will setting up a VM work well enough?

Rheingold will change the battery type too. Ista-p is only for programming modules. That is not what we are doing. Think of Insta-p more like updating from service pack 1 to service pack 2... Or windows 8 to windows 10... All we are doing is changing a setting...

A virtual machine needs a 250gb solid state drive to host properly. It will be slow without it but useable. The virtual machine is easy but it really is useless. BMW tools takes 5 minutes to install to do this coding. Rheingold is also available. You can't program with the virtual machine (it will fail) so having all those programs is really just a waste. You need native running apps to program or data will drop!

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by bNks334

Rheingold will change the battery type too. Ista-p is only for programming modules. That is not what we are doing. think is Insta-p more like updating from service pack 1 to service pack 2... Or windows 8 to windows 10...

In your original write up under the section on using Rheingold you wrote
8) Rheingold then walks you through your options! You can simply register a new like-for-like battery, or you can change the battery capacity. Rheingold will prompt you to perform coding using ISTA-P!

From this and reading a bunch of differing opinions I came to my probably wrong conclusion.

Is it that you can change the capacity or type without changing the VO in ISTA/D and still have the correct charging regimen? If true, is the downside that if a dealer does some updates on your car it will revert back to the original battery capacity and type?

[bNks334]

Originally Posted by gjm120

In your original write up under the section on using Rheingold you wrote
8) Rheingold then walks you through your options! You can simply register a new like-for-like battery, or you can change the battery capacity. Rheingold will prompt you to perform coding using ISTA-P!

From this and reading a bunch of differing opinions I came to my probably wrong conclusion.

Is it that you can change the capacity or type without changing the VO in ISTA/D and still have the correct charging regimen? If true, is the downside that if a dealer does some updates on your car it will revert back to the original battery capacity and type?

I may have been wrong in the write up. I think rheingold just brings you to a new tab/procedure... Not a different app. I also do not believe it changes the $vo so you'd be correct the setting would be set back to factory defaults with dealer programming. The dealer is not likely to provide any programming though... It takes a lot of time. The only thing they really do is update the DME when people have driveablity issues and that won't affect the battery coding.

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by bNks334

I may have been wrong in the write up. I think rheingold just brings you to a new tab/procedure... Not a different app. I also do not believe it changes the $vo so you'd be correct the setting would be set back to factory defaults with dealer programming. The dealer is not likely to provide any programming though... It takes a lot of time. The only thing they really do is update the DME when people have driveablity issues and that won't affect the battery coding.

Ok. I guess not updating the vo is not important as long as the charging profile is correct. And just remember to check it if the a shop does anything in the way of programming or coding.

[gjm120]

I got BMW Std Tools loaded and coded a battery change in NCSExpert. Not too involved. Actually getting the software and cable driver all up and running was more difficult than changing the battery capacity.

WARNING: You can register a battery change in INPA a little too easily. When you hit register a battery change it is done. No taking you to another dialog box, no "are you sure" type warnings. It didn't matter for me as I only had 200km on the new battery, but if someone hit this with a much older battery it would be an issue.

Didn't change the VO but I've double checked and the system shows the 80Ah battery as I wanted.

[Fantastipotamus]

Thanks for the info.

Small update, the Carly app has changed to $59.99 per year subscription based format on the iphone (for new purchasers). It does, however, offer access to ALL the items which were previously add-ons.

For now, it looks like the old version is still available in the App Store, but according to their migration page, only people who purchased before March will get lifetime access to the updated app. So, good news is that all you folks who didn’t want to shell out 13.99 for the coding add-on in the old app now have it for free.

Meanwhile.. I have access to it for a year!! ... ...

[SergeyB]

Thank you for valuable information.
I think I have and interesting question that I hope could be answered here.
My original battery type was AGM. Two years ago I replaced a battery at official dealer to the regular one (white case). I ensured that they did the registration. Everything worked fine like engine start.
However I had a feeling of battery under charge which proved itself recently (discharge warning) when I leaved radio on without running engine while cleaning interior and closing/opening the doors perhaps preventing car from entering sleep. This was not too long like about 30 minutes.
I decided to check battery status and discovered that my regular battery is registered as AGM (capacity is the same).
What could be done in this case?
1) Code the correct type in relevant modules (with or without VO)?
2) Code the correct type with higher capacity with registration?

Thank you!