Potential Mid-year 335 and 328

goodwin1980 · 09-07-2005, 09:58 PM

I received word from a BMW representative that BMW is planning on modifying the 3 series beginning mid-June of 2006. The rep said that BMW is planning on replacing the 330 with a 335 (3.5 liter in-line 6)yielding hp in the mid 300s!! In addition, the 325 will be replaced by a 328 (3.0 liter in-line 6) turning approximately 255 ponies! He said that this change will first occur in the sedans and will be the initial models for the coupe. Wanted to know if anyone else had received any info on this.

Thumpzilla · 09-07-2005, 10:22 PM

My friend works for BMW and said the 335 will be available by next Sept but it's unclear exactly how much HP there will be.

He didn't want to say too much but suggested I wait until then to buy one. Unfortunately, I can't wait but will lease instead because the 330I looks like it's gonna take a residual hit.

JonnyCrash · 09-07-2005, 11:03 PM

I find this relatively hard to believe; it doesn't seem likely that BMW would introduce new engines for the 330 and 325 for one model year only (particularly if its only two half model years). It is much more likely that if there is a refresh, it would happen a couple of years into the e90 lifecycle, perhaps for MY2008 or MY2009. Only time will tell, of course.

Meanwhile, let's look at the facts: the 335 has been rumoured to be a new model altogether, available likely as a MY2007 vehicle, and may or may not make it to North America. This would not be a replacement, but an additional model above the 330 in the 3-series lineup. Further, the current 330 is an inline 6 3.0l with approximately 255 ponies. I see no way that a 328 would be released with exactly the same engine specifications. It just makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by goodwin1980

I received word from a BMW representative that BMW is planning on modifying the 3 series beginning mid-June of 2006. The rep said that BMW is planning on replacing the 330 with a 335 (3.5 liter in-line 6)yielding hp in the mid 300s!! In addition, the 325 will be replaced by a 328 (3.0 liter in-line 6) turning approximately 255 ponies! He said that this change will first occur in the sedans and will be the initial models for the coupe. Wanted to know if anyone else had received any info on this.

Nikki · 09-07-2005, 11:14 PM

I agree with Mr.Abuila. It seems like a reasonable idea, but I don't think they would do it so soon after the new ones just arrived. Perhaps in 08 or 09 makes more sense.

Robert · 09-08-2005, 02:00 AM

check out this thread

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4156

Oz · 09-08-2005, 03:27 AM

Don't you guys think the 325i and 330i would lose its value if it was to occur? how about the x-drive models?

I just don't see why BMW would do this that soon.

wac77 · 09-08-2005, 05:57 AM

I am sure there will be a 335 model with more than 304HP, just to grab bragging rights back from the Lexus IS 350.

But it would be absurd to sell the current 255HP 330i with a "devalued" 328i label. I'd bet that the 330i will stay for at least the next couple of years.

deadfresh · 09-08-2005, 07:11 AM

Part of what he said was true and part of it was falso. The 335i will not be a 3.5 liter but rather a 3.0 liter with 2 Turbos. There has also been nothing which suggests a 328.

I would be very weary of getting info from BMW reps. I was at Hank Aaron BMW and the advisor insisted that the e60 M5 was a V12.

Robin_NL · 09-08-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by deadfresh

Part of what he said was true and part of it was falso. The 335i will not be a 3.5 liter but rather a 3.0 liter with 2 Turbos. There has also been nothing which suggests a 328.

I would be very weary of getting info from BMW reps. I was at Hank Aaron BMW and the advisor insisted that the e60 M5 was a V12.

Correct.

This is as absurd/untrue as Santa

for now. Maybe a 328 will come in a few years.

Saloon model range will be:318i/320i/323i?/325i/330i/335i
318d?/320d/330d/335d

goodwin1980 · 09-08-2005, 10:04 AM

Think about the 2000 v. the 2001 E46. The 2000 E46 can in the form of a 323 and a 328. The 2001 E46 can in the form of a 325 and a 330. History does have a way of repeating itself.

RichReg · 09-08-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by goodwin1980

Think about the 2000 v. the 2001 E46. The 2000 E46 can in the form of a 323 and a 328. The 2001 E46 can in the form of a 325 and a 330. History does have a way of repeating itself.

The E46s debuted in the form of a 323 & 328 in late '98 as '99 models.....the 330 came in April of 2000, then the 325 in October of 2000.

E90-4life · 09-08-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by goodwin1980

I received word from a BMW representative that BMW is planning on modifying the 3 series beginning mid-June of 2006. The rep said that BMW is planning on replacing the 330 with a 335 (3.5 liter in-line 6)yielding hp in the mid 300s!! In addition, the 325 will be replaced by a 328 (3.0 liter in-line 6) turning approximately 255 ponies! He said that this change will first occur in the sedans and will be the initial models for the coupe. Wanted to know if anyone else had received any info on this.

So no more 325???? If they did keep the 325 then it would be the value model of the lineup... that'd be dumb if BMW stopped making it.

abc · 09-09-2005, 11:40 PM

but didnt bmw early this yr admit that they felt that in the American market, they for too long had not paid enough attention to hp numbers and 0-60 times, (items that bmw didn't feel were what 'makes' a car, but felt their products need to play that game too) and that this needs to be the case for them to implement into their models, sooner rather than later?

RichP · 09-10-2005, 09:05 AM

BMW does fool with engine numbers all the time. It happened in the E36 and E46, and they dont correspond well, except that one is considered the low line 3, and one is considered the higher line. Right now, we think of 325 as low end, and 330 as high end. Most likely, BMW is going to have one 3 liter NA motor, and one 3liter turbo, denoted as a 335 (they do this because the added "displacement" a turbo provides) If they have a 330 and 335, then the high and low gets blurred, because people consider the 330 as a high line car.

Name the 3L the 328, and it seems like an upgrade from the 325 (and it will be running current 330 horsepower) and up the 330 to the 335.

Granted, the logic is warped, but its BMW marking logic, not our logic. (and they did all this with the 323 and 328 during the E36/E46 transition)

lhoboy8 · 09-10-2005, 12:42 PM

I doubt they'd label 330hp a 328, making it faster than the 330. in the e46, the 328 still had less power than the 330 but greater than the 325. It correlates somehow

Agni · 09-10-2005, 01:03 PM

They will probably keep the label 330i(3L), and then make the new engine 335i(3.5L). This seems the most logical thing to do.

RichReg · 09-10-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lhoboy8

I doubt they'd label 330hp a 328, making it faster than the 330. in the e46, the 328 still had less power than the 330 but greater than the 325. It correlates somehow

You misunderstood RichP.
He meant a 328 running the current 330i's horsepower, but most likely somewhat less than that, yet MORE than the current 325.

BMW could add direct injection to the 325's motor and make other modifications to bring that car up to say, 230-240 hp? But that would probably mean making that engine actually displace 2.8 liters. With the addition of a 335 there would be no need for a 330 model anymore. UNLESS, of course, the 335 is really just a diesel model & the actual plan is to package the twin-turbo gasoline model as a ZHP option.

In either case, can you say "Goodbye resale value"? :mad:

RichP · 09-10-2005, 04:05 PM

Rich,
Most likely it would just have current 330 power; realize our US spec 325s are 330s detuned (detuned as we lack the 3 stage manifold of the real 330s)

Its all speculation, although in the discussion of future nomenclature, having a 328 and 335 makes the most sense given BMWs past naming conventions in the 3 series.

RichReg · 09-10-2005, 06:04 PM

Absolutely all speculation.
But then there's speedfreak, a BMW employee on Bimmerfest, who says he's heard of no 328s in the foreseeable future, but DEFINITELY a 335.

http://www.forums.bimmerfest.com/sho...=110874&page=2

So then what? BMW slaps the 3 stage intake on the 325 and sells it for only $1000 more than before, while selling the 335 at maybe two to three thousand more than the 330 sells for???? It just doesn't make sense...

I don't believe any of the theories I've heard so far.

wahoo · 09-10-2005, 10:37 PM

335 will come for sure. 325 will probably end up being dropped and rebadged a 328. 330 will prolly stay and then have a 335. It happened on the e46...323 no longer around....went to 325, 328->330. Keep in mind it signaled the liter size...2.5L, 2.8L, 3.0L etc.

Thumpzilla · 09-12-2005, 10:56 PM

Found this link.

Seems this has been thought out awhile back.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...?f=57&t=172555

What do you guys think? Will this tank the resale of the current 330i?

Regards,

THUMP

lxapilot118 · 09-12-2005, 11:06 PM

I doubt that if BMW had "secret" intentions of starting a new model line, that'd they'd tell EVERYONE that works for BMW. Just because someone knows someone that works for BMW doesn't mean they get all the info.

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goodwin1980 New Member 4 Rep 11 Posts Drives: Toyota 4Runner Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louisville, KY iTrader: (0)	Potential Mid-year 335 and 328 I received word from a BMW representative that BMW is planning on modifying the 3 series beginning mid-June of 2006. The rep said that BMW is planning on replacing the 330 with a 335 (3.5 liter in-line 6)yielding hp in the mid 300s!! In addition, the 325 will be replaced by a 328 (3.0 liter in-line 6) turning approximately 255 ponies! He said that this change will first occur in the sedans and will be the initial models for the coupe. Wanted to know if anyone else had received any info on this.
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Thumpzilla Private 2 Rep 66 Posts Drives: 330xi/06/Loaded!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NewJersey iTrader: (0)	My friend works for BMW and said the 335 will be available by next Sept but it's unclear exactly how much HP there will be. He didn't want to say too much but suggested I wait until then to buy one. Unfortunately, I can't wait but will lease instead because the 330I looks like it's gonna take a residual hit.
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Nikki Major General 990 Rep 6,381 Posts Drives: Sepang Z4MC Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: LA iTrader: (9)	I agree with Mr.Abuila. It seems like a reasonable idea, but I don't think they would do it so soon after the new ones just arrived. Perhaps in 08 or 09 makes more sense. __________________ Nikki
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wac77 Private First Class 15 Rep 152 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW 330i Xdrive Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Port Washington, NY iTrader: (0)	335 yes, 328 I doubt it I am sure there will be a 335 model with more than 304HP, just to grab bragging rights back from the Lexus IS 350. But it would be absurd to sell the current 255HP 330i with a "devalued" 328i label. I'd bet that the 330i will stay for at least the next couple of years. __________________ 2023 330i Xdrive, phytonic blue/ tacora
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deadfresh Private 4 Rep 92 Posts Drives: 2001 330Ci Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0)	Part of what he said was true and part of it was falso. The 335i will not be a 3.5 liter but rather a 3.0 liter with 2 Turbos. There has also been nothing which suggests a 328. I would be very weary of getting info from BMW reps. I was at Hank Aaron BMW and the advisor insisted that the e60 M5 was a V12.
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goodwin1980 New Member 4 Rep 11 Posts Drives: Toyota 4Runner Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louisville, KY iTrader: (0)	Think about the 2000 v. the 2001 E46. The 2000 E46 can in the form of a 323 and a 328. The 2001 E46 can in the form of a 325 and a 330. History does have a way of repeating itself.
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abc Captain 27 Rep 772 Posts Drives: 325 Join Date: May 2005 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	but didnt bmw early this yr admit that they felt that in the American market, they for too long had not paid enough attention to hp numbers and 0-60 times, (items that bmw didn't feel were what 'makes' a car, but felt their products need to play that game too) and that this needs to be the case for them to implement into their models, sooner rather than later?
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RichP Major 144 Rep 1,184 Posts Drives: F80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CT iTrader: (4)	BMW does fool with engine numbers all the time. It happened in the E36 and E46, and they dont correspond well, except that one is considered the low line 3, and one is considered the higher line. Right now, we think of 325 as low end, and 330 as high end. Most likely, BMW is going to have one 3 liter NA motor, and one 3liter turbo, denoted as a 335 (they do this because the added "displacement" a turbo provides) If they have a 330 and 335, then the high and low gets blurred, because people consider the 330 as a high line car. Name the 3L the 328, and it seems like an upgrade from the 325 (and it will be running current 330 horsepower) and up the 330 to the 335. Granted, the logic is warped, but its BMW marking logic, not our logic. (and they did all this with the 323 and 328 during the E36/E46 transition)
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lhoboy8 Enlisted Member 2 Rep 48 Posts Drives: e90 330xi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Boston iTrader: (0) Garage List 2000 323ci [0.00] 2006 330xi [0.00]	I doubt they'd label 330hp a 328, making it faster than the 330. in the e46, the 328 still had less power than the 330 but greater than the 325. It correlates somehow
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Agni First Lieutenant 116 Rep 372 Posts Drives: F36 435i M Gran Coupe Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 335xi [0.00] 2006 325i [0.00]	They will probably keep the label 330i(3L), and then make the new engine 335i(3.5L). This seems the most logical thing to do.
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RichP Major 144 Rep 1,184 Posts Drives: F80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CT iTrader: (4)	Rich, Most likely it would just have current 330 power; realize our US spec 325s are 330s detuned (detuned as we lack the 3 stage manifold of the real 330s) Its all speculation, although in the discussion of future nomenclature, having a 328 and 335 makes the most sense given BMWs past naming conventions in the 3 series.
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RichReg Colonel 121 Rep 2,099 Posts Drives: 2015 435Xi GC & 2000 323Ci. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Absolutely all speculation. But then there's speedfreak, a BMW employee on Bimmerfest, who says he's heard of no 328s in the foreseeable future, but DEFINITELY a 335. http://www.forums.bimmerfest.com/sho...=110874&page=2 So then what? BMW slaps the 3 stage intake on the 325 and sells it for only $1000 more than before, while selling the 335 at maybe two to three thousand more than the 330 sells for???? It just doesn't make sense... I don't believe any of the theories I've heard so far.
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wahoo Bangin' my head against the wall 15 Rep 460 Posts Drives: '08 335i Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: atlanta iTrader: (0)	335s are coming 335 will come for sure. 325 will probably end up being dropped and rebadged a 328. 330 will prolly stay and then have a 335. It happened on the e46...323 no longer around....went to 325, 328->330. Keep in mind it signaled the liter size...2.5L, 2.8L, 3.0L etc.
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Thumpzilla Private 2 Rep 66 Posts Drives: 330xi/06/Loaded!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NewJersey iTrader: (0)	335 Found this link. Seems this has been thought out awhile back. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...?f=57&t=172555 What do you guys think? Will this tank the resale of the current 330i? Regards, THUMP
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lxapilot118 Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 218 Posts Drives: 330i + SC Mustang Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: MS iTrader: (0)	I doubt that if BMW had "secret" intentions of starting a new model line, that'd they'd tell EVERYONE that works for BMW. Just because someone knows someone that works for BMW doesn't mean they get all the info. __________________ TiAg E90 330i 6-Speed, Silver w/gray/burl, sports package, premium package, nav, heated seats, sunshades, comfort access, satellite radio, PDC, Mattig Eyelids:rocks:
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