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      09-01-2018, 02:24 PM   #1
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Trump's treatment of Canada...

the definition of insanity": https://www.newsweek.com/former-amba...sanity-1101021 .
I'm not sure Putin would agree.
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the definition of insanity": https://www.newsweek.com/former-amba...sanity-1101021 .
I'm not sure Putin would agree.
What I find absurd is the Canadians who are Trump fans. Those folks are obviously misinformed.
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I like how people make accusations or clinical diagnoses who have no qualifications whatsoever. The President is looking after US interests as your politicians look after yours. Hopefully we meet in the middle somewhere. It’s not like the president is some enigma. Pick up his art of the deal book and read it. I’m sure your intel agencies have already performed a psychological profile on him and know how to “manage” or “handle” him....just do it. It’s what every other country on the planet tries to do to everyone else, Allies included.
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Canada cheats the US on trade, finally a President who has the balls to demand fair trade!
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Canada cheats the US on trade, finally a President who has the balls to demand fair trade!
perpetuating a lie does what exactly? Just how unfair has it been and whats your source?
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      09-01-2018, 06:48 PM   #11
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the definition of insanity": https://www.newsweek.com/former-amba...sanity-1101021 .
I'm not sure Putin would agree.
This is comedy gold. The Obama Appointed Ambassador makes this statement:


"The definition of insanity, just listening to the president there, is how the president has been treating Canada all this time," Bruce Heyman, former U.S. ambassador to Canada, told CNBC during an interview on Squawk on the Street program on Friday."

Bruce, the definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result!" As in, getting fucked on NAFTA for decades, and thinking it's going to get better?!?!

Thanks for posting this - so glad we don't have this tool representing the US.
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perpetuating a lie does what exactly? Just how unfair has it been and whats your source?
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Currently, we have an $11 billion dollar annual trade deficit with Canada. This translates to be a deficit of nearly $1 billion per month. Geographically, Canada is an expansive country but with a significantly smaller population than California. Yet, per capita, our trade deficit with Canada exceeds our per-capita trade deficit with China.

Trump supporters are big fans of red meat, beer, cheese and movies--four products that Canada trades unfairly. During the Obama administration, Canada challenged our Country of Original Labeling (COOL) requiring Canada to label its beef as a "Product of Canada." Canada, along with Mexico, brought a bogus complaint against the United States to the World Trade Organization challenging COOL's meat-labeling requirement. The WTO, with an ad hoc Mexican "judge-for-a-day kind of judge", predictably ruled in favor of Mexico and Canada. The result of this biased ruling was that our wimpy Congress caved in and changed COOL. It is because of our "friends" in Canada that we can now no longer have country-of-origin labeling on beef imported from any foreign country.

Say Cheese!

The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was supposed to bring us free trade, but it has failed to do so. Canada charges a whopping tariff of 245.5% for any cheese imported from the United States. As a result, it is understandable that we are not shipping to Canada a lot of tasty cheese from Wisconsin or Vermont even though our biggest cheese producers are in states that border our northern neighbor. This is unquestionably unfair, and definitely, not very neighborly.

Beer Nuts

There is no doubt that Canada brews some fine beer. So why are the Canadians afraid of a little competition? Canada's provinces prohibit the importation of beer. This means that all American-brewed beer is banned in Canada. No Sam Adams, no Sierra Nevada, no Blue Moon, etc. In other words,*no American beer whatsoever*unless it is brewed in Canada. "Canadian wine and beer producers have long complained of interprovincial hurdles, such as many provinces' restrictions on shipping directly from an out-of-province winery to a consumer, or the decision last December by [Alberta's] Premier Rachel Notley's government to slap a 525-per-cent tax hike on craft beer from outside Alberta."*Globe and Mail, April 29, 2016.

Movie Madness

Canada has taken billions of dollars in film-production business away from Hollywood; not because of its notorious sunshine, but because of illegal film subsidies. An agreement called "The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade", signed by most nations of the world, prohibits subsidies for products and services. Over the years, Canada has spent billions of dollars in illegal tax subsidies to create a lucrative film industry and it has succeeded at our economic expense.*Brokeback Mountain, Titanic, Texas Rangers, The Incredible Hulk, My Big Fat Greek Wedding,*and numerous other films were shot in Canada to take advantage of these huge Canadian subsidies.
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Trump imposed retaliation tariffs in response to long existing tariffs on our products. So Canada started the trade war, not what our press is reporting!
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      09-01-2018, 07:32 PM   #16
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I'm only going to post this once because the facts are misstated by anglo (no f*ing surprise).

US had a surplus in goods and services trade with Canada of $8.4 billion in 2017. The US had a surplus in goods and services trade with Canada of $12.42 billion in 2016.

Source: Office of the US Trade Representative. These are the official trade balance numbers of the US government.

Only a moron measures the effectiveness and fairness of trade by balance. But if you're going to be a moron, at least be an accurate one and report facts ... the US runs a trade surplus with Canada.

These are inconsequential numbers, $8.4 billion represents about 1.2% of the total trade between Canada and the US so it's absolutely meaningless to suggest that trade is unbalanced when the margin is that small ... but since the facts were misstated, let's correct them.

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But could it be more if they didn't impose tariffs on our goods?
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I'm only going to post this once because the facts are misstated by anglo (no f*ing surprise).

US had a surplus in goods and services trade with Canada of $8.4 billion in 2017. The US had a surplus in goods and services trade with Canada of $12.42 billion in 2016.

Source: Office of the US Trade Representative. These are the official trade balance numbers of the US government.

Only a moron measures the effectiveness and fairness of trade by balance. But if you're going to be a moron, at least be an accurate one and report facts ... the US runs a trade surplus with Canada.

These are inconsequential numbers, $8.4 billion represents about 1.2% of the total trade between Canada and the US so it's absolutely meaningless to suggest that trade is unbalanced when the margin is that small ... but since the facts were misstated, let's correct them.
You sound angry with the insults. Lol

Why Canada has over 200% tarrifs on our dairy products for example?
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A lot of my Canadian friends like Trump. They don't fault Trump for how he has treated Canada recently. They fault Trudeau.
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You sound angry with the insults. Lol

Why Canada has over 200% tarrifs on our dairy products for example?
It's called Supply Management and you can feel free to use your Google or Bing Machine to understand the concept. It is a legal trade barrier under WTO rules. OTOH, the US directly subsidizes it's dairy farmers to overproduce (approximate 13% of dairy farmer's revenue in the US is a government subsidy). Production and import subsidies are technically illegal under WTO rules, but the US subsidies were grandparented under the FTA, NAFTA, and WTO agreements.

Both production/export subsidies and supply management systems are trade barriers and are inefficient and not in the consumer's interests. Both systems should be abolished. However, the political damage to a Canadian politician advocating the end of supply management is about the same as an American one threatening to end farm subsidies. Both should go, both need to go, but neither country has politicians with the political will to do it. The reality is that our trade barriers on dairy are no better or worse than America's, they just look that way when you pick one number (eg. the 200%).

Doesn't change the underlying premise of my post: that you misstated the facts on the actual trade balance between Canada and the US.
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It's called Supply Management and you can feel free to use your Google or Bing Machine to understand the concept. It is a legal trade barrier under WTO rules. OTOH, the US directly subsidizes it's dairy farmers to overproduce (approximate 13% of dairy farmer's revenue in the US is a government subsidy). Production and import subsidies are technically illegal under WTO rules, but the US subsidies were grandparented under the FTA, NAFTA, and WTO agreements.

Both production/export subsidies and supply management systems are trade barriers and are inefficient and not in the consumer's interests. Both systems should be abolished. However, the political damage to a Canadian politician advocating the end of supply management is about the same as an American one threatening to end farm subsidies. Both should go, both need to go, but neither country has politicians with the political will to do it. The reality is that our trade barriers on dairy are no better or worse than America's, they just look that way when you pick one number (eg. the 200%).

Doesn't change the underlying premise of my post: that you misstated the facts on the actual trade balance between Canada and the US.
Remember when you argued the 300% tarrifs on the heavily subsidized Bombardier CS sold under production cost pushing US airlines to drop the 737 and Embraer E jets for the CS was protectionism?

Same thing, it's not that complicated!

Canada doesn't want cheap milk from the US.
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