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      09-20-2018, 02:18 PM   #23
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So many here seem to hate Trump and even say "not my president". I did not agree with much of Obama's agenda but I respected the office and never said he was not my president.

I know it has been hard for many but the President of the United States is Donald Trump. And, if you are American - he is your president.

With that, how many respect the office no matter who is in it?
I respect the office, the building and pretty much all previous holders of the office but the man is tweeting abt haters and losers and lying to everyone all the fucking time.

I'll still be respecting the office, the building, and the powers that come with those but the current guy, no.
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Well it will look like that if you already have reservations against him created by the media.
I know which one you're talking about, but search for a video that refutes that, he "imitates" everyone like that, it was unfortunate that that guy had similar gestures.
the video's above.

i love that it's reservations "created by the media" - when i've watched the media play unedited, uninterrupted clips when i've watched him campaign live. if the media playing his campaign speeches and things he's done on the road creates a bias against him, hint - the problem is him.
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Well it will look like that if you already have reservations against him created by the media.
I know which one you're talking about, but search for a video that refutes that, he "imitates" everyone like that, it was unfortunate that that guy had similar gestures.
the video's above.

i love that it's reservations "created by the media" - when i've watched the media play unedited, uninterrupted clips when i've watched him campaign live. if the media playing his campaign speeches and things he's done on the road creates a bias against him, hint - the problem is him.
Alright, be blind all you want. I tried to help.

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Alright, be blind all you want. I tried to help.

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are you absolutely, 100% certain you aren't the blind one?
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Alright, be blind all you want. I tried to help.

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are you absolutely, 100% certain you aren't the blind one?
In regards to mocking disabled people?
I am.
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Admittedly I didn't respect obama nearly as much as I should have and realized that as I grew older. 8 years is a long time for someone especially going from early 20s to late 20s and into 30s. That said, I believe respect is something you earn but to an extent. You have to say extent because everyone is so literal these days. Of course Im respectful when I first meet someone and give them an opportunity to earn continued respect, but for someone I hardly know, like the president, is a tough one.

I didnt and still dont agree with much of what obama did or believed in. Personally, Im more right leaning then left, but now refuse to be associated with either side, they're all idiots. This severe left/right nonsense is delusional. One doesn't have to respect or like the office or trump, but this CONSTANT bitching is pathetic. I dont respect people who are constantly crying, pointing fingers, posting news articles etc. Just shut the faaawwwwwk up about it already. Wait til the next election and vote. (Not referring to you OP but people in general)... This trump bantering is annoying and childish.
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Respect is one of those things that has two sides...call it "tiers" or "levels", if you will.
At the fundamental level is basic respect, which shouldn't have to be earned.
Basically every moral code or religion mentions somewhere something along the lines of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", the "Golden Rule", etc.

The second part, is genuine respect from the gut.
When people say "I really respect [insert name here] for _____", that part is earned.

I'm not going to join in on the Trump debate specifically, but looking at the two sides of this argument, we can determine that those who say they "respect" the President and those who say they don't or that the President has "lost" that respect or needs to "earn" it, are talking about the latter.

Any decent individual has basic respect for other individuals.
This is manifested into things like manners & etiquette.
Even the most hardcore Democrats in Congress, when given the chance to meet with Donald Trump one-on-one, would address him as "Mr. President", I'm sure.
That's basic respect.

But the next level, the next tier of respect, that part is earned, through merit, through trust, through actions, words, viewpoints, etc.
This is the part that is more subjective and personal.

Our language doesn't distinguish the two, but in social interactions between individuals, there are indeed two "levels" of respect.

You may respect your boss at work at a basic level, but inside your gut, you may think he's a prick.
I'd fathom to guess that's kind of how some people feel about Trump.
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In regards to mocking disabled people?
I am.
i guess people on both sides will believe what they want. i take into account his past history, character, lying, etc. combined with the fact that the reporter himself was not pro-trump, and see that his jarring hand movements as he is relaying what the reporter was saying as mockery. as does my sister, and many others in the disabled community
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How's he mocking the position? Just trying to understand.
Read his tweets, listen to his speeches. Call me "old fashioned" but I expect a certain level of intelligence, professionalism, and decorum from my Presidents.

I don't think the POTUS should be looking to "win" an argument by being the loudest person in the room. I don't want my President to be the master of the one-liner comeback. I don't want my President to publicly berate his opponents by calling into question the size of their dick, or making fun of their stature. I want the POTUS to be the smartest f*cking person in the room by miles and fully capable of handling complex geopolitical situations. I dont want a guy who would be fun at a bachelor party or to grab beers with at Hooters. I want someone who works his or her ass off. Anything short of this is mocking the position, IMO.

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Respect is one of those things that has two sides...call it "tiers" or "levels", if you will.
At the fundamental level is basic respect, which shouldn't have to be earned.
Basically every moral code or religion mentions somewhere something along the lines of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", the "Golden Rule", etc.

The second part, is genuine respect from the gut.
When people say "I really respect [insert name here] for _____", that part is earned.

I'm not going to join in on the Trump debate specifically, but looking at the two sides of this argument, we can determine that those who say they "respect" the President and those who say they don't or that the President has "lost" that respect or needs to "earn" it, are talking about the latter.

Any decent individual has basic respect for other individuals.
This is manifested into things like manners & etiquette.
Even the most hardcore Democrats in Congress, when given the chance to meet with Donald Trump one-on-one, would address him as "Mr. President", I'm sure.
That's basic respect.

But the next level, the next tier of respect, that part is earned, through merit, through trust, through actions, words, viewpoints, etc.
This is the part that is more subjective and personal.

Our language doesn't distinguish the two, but in social interactions between individuals, there are indeed two "levels" of respect.

You may respect your boss at work at a basic level, but inside your gut, you may think he's a prick.
I'd fathom to guess that's kind of how some people feel about Trump.
that's kind of what i was trying to get at when asking what the OP exactly means by "respect"
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I am.
i guess people on both sides will believe what they want. i take into account his past history, character, lying, etc. combined with the fact that the reporter himself was not pro-trump, and see that his jarring hand movements as he is relaying what the reporter was saying as mockery. as does my sister, and many others in the disabled community
The difference is that when you choose to believe that he did something that others think he didn't, you are left butt hurt. And there's no cure to butt hurt.

I just go about my day just fine.

So which one would you rather choose?

Plus: whenever I see a huge "seemingly" (seemingly, because most of the media chooses to portray the left as the majority, but Trump won anyway) majority say something and massively agree on that something, I choose to believe the opposite is true.

But that's just me.
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The difference is that when you choose to believe that he did something that others think he didn't, you are left butt hurt. And there's no cure to butt hurt.

I just go about my day just fine.

So which one would you rather choose?

Plus: whenever I see a huge "seemingly" (seemingly, because most of the media chooses to portray the left as the majority, but Trump won anyway) majority say something and massively agree on that something, I choose to believe the opposite is true.

But that's just me.
no one here is butt hurt, but you are asking me to "respect" the guy? pass. i think you are trying to push all your liberal stereotypes on me for not being a "trump supporter" lol. you can actually, genuinely be a moderate/independent, without being a liberal, without being a trump supporter as well
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How's he mocking the position? Just trying to understand.
Read his tweets, listen to his speeches. Call me "old fashioned" but I expect a certain level of intelligence, professionalism, and decorum from my Presidents.
You stigmatized the position. Now whoever doesn't fit what you think is "right", is unfit.

That's kind of how racism and xenophobia work too. If people don't conform to a standard, they're "unfit".

If it wasn't for your preconceived notion of what a president should say or do, how is he doing otherwise? I mean, he is chief of the executive branch.

But I guess I understand what you mean, I'm sorry as I don't pay much attention to avatars, but are you the same one that thinks Musk is unfit to run his own company? Just confirming, as it's the same thing.
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musk is definitely unfit to run a publicly traded company, lololol
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The difference is that when you choose to believe that he did something that others think he didn't, you are left butt hurt. And there's no cure to butt hurt.

I just go about my day just fine.

So which one would you rather choose?

Plus: whenever I see a huge "seemingly" (seemingly, because most of the media chooses to portray the left as the majority, but Trump won anyway) majority say something and massively agree on that something, I choose to believe the opposite is true.

But that's just me.
no one here is butt hurt, but you are asking me to "respect" the guy? pass. i think you are trying to push all your liberal stereotypes on me for not being a "trump supporter" lol. you can actually, genuinely be a moderate/independent, without being a liberal, without being a trump supporter as well
I'm not, and I'm not asking you to be a Trump supporter.

But he's an old man pretty much a target of daily cheap shots. Is he extremely secure and mature? No. He's still grandpa.

That's why, before mocking someone's grandpa, I choose to ensure he's done something to ME, or something completely wrong and unforgivable.

Tweeting isn't unforgivable. Actually his followers like the direct connection to him.

Mocking others as he's done since he was much younger the same way isn't unforgivable (again, it's a shame the reporter had to have similar gestures).

Claiming the media is biased and fake when they are, isn't unforgivable.

People are flawed.

I wouldn't condone calling Obama names and mocking the colour of his skin either.

I like to form my own opinions, and I try to do that based on facts. That's all.
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musk is definitely unfit to run a publicly traded company, lololol
See, why!?
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See, why!?
people who run publicly traded companies have responsibilities that people who run private companies do not. one of which is tweeting out funding secured, in what could easily be interpreted as an attempt to hurt some short traders, without consulting the board.

chief operating officer, sure. ceo viewed as the face of the company? well, he should probably grow up a little
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See, why!?
people who run publicly traded companies have responsibilities that people who run private companies do not. one of which is tweeting out funding secured, in what could easily be interpreted as an attempt to hurt some short traders, without consulting the board.

chief operating officer, sure. ceo viewed as the face of the company? well, he should probably grow up a little
I think he made a mistake there too, lol but I'm not sure.

My thought was "that can impact the trading", and I'm not sure it was intentional or not, or wrong (maybe illegal) or not.

Edit: doesn't mean he's "unfit" though. If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. You fix it and move on.
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I think he made a mistake there too, lol but I'm not sure.

My thought was "that can impact the trading", and I'm not sure it was intentional or not, or wrong (maybe illegal) or not.

Edit: doesn't mean he's "unfit" though. If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. You fix it and move on.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-secured-tweet

it definitely was wrong/a mistake. he constantly bitches and moans about all the tesla shorts out there, combined with this... like i said, there are responsibilities someone running a publicly traded company has that someone who runs a private one does not.

trying to get into a discussion about someone who makes mistakes vs someone who is unfit is way too subjective to get into and off the topic of this thread. maybe musk will develop thicker skin, shut up and run the company properly, and put more focus on supply chain management than smoking pot on podcasts and getting butthurt about what shorts think, and then, yes, i'd say he's fit. right now, he's not
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I think he made a mistake there too, lol but I'm not sure.

My thought was "that can impact the trading", and I'm not sure it was intentional or not, or wrong (maybe illegal) or not.

Edit: doesn't mean he's "unfit" though. If it's a mistake, it's a mistake. You fix it and move on.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-secured-tweet

it definitely was wrong/a mistake. he constantly bitches and moans about all the tesla shorts out there, combined with this... like i said, there are responsibilities someone running a publicly traded company has that someone who runs a private one does not.

trying to get into a discussion about someone who makes mistakes vs someone who is unfit is way too subjective to get into and off the topic of this thread. maybe musk will develop thicker skin, shut up and run the company properly, and put more focus on supply chain management than smoking pot on podcasts and getting butthurt about what shorts think, and then, yes, i'd say he's fit. right now, he's not
I don't know...

Something about what I learned as a kid that gets me hesitant: "if you can't do better, shut up".

I wouldn't do better than Trump.
I wouldn't do better than Musk.

They're doing what they can, and the results are good in both instances. Who am I to say they're unfit?
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I am always amazed by all the people that think someone isn't "fit" to run a business or to be president. If they are so intelligent and so qualified, why are they not running a major corporation or president of a country. These "unfit" people are definitely not wasting their time and talent on a car forum, telling people how stupid they are.
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I don't know...

Something about what I learned as a kid that gets me hesitant: "if you can't do better, shut up".

I wouldn't do better than Trump.
I wouldn't do better than Musk.

They're doing what they can, and the results are good in both instances. Who am I to say they're unfit?
there's many, many other things i learned as a kid that, IMO, are more important to me than the lesson mentioned above - not that your lessons are not important. regardless, back on point.. respect trump? i do not. not when he was a media mogul, not when he was bankrupting companies left and right, not when he was running celebrity apprentice, and not now.

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I am always amazed by all the people that think someone isn't "fit" to run a business or to be president. If they are so intelligent and so qualified, why are they not running a major corporation or president of a country. These "unfit" people are definitely not wasting their time and talent on a car forum, telling people how stupid they are.
no, they're doing it on twitter. lol. if you don't want forum chatter, don't be on a forum? or are you saying, you must be a president to be qualified to criticize a president? you must be a ceo to criticize a ceo? past presidents have criticized trump. and i'm sure current ceos thought what musk did was a bonehead move, but are probably wise and responsible enough not to publicly throw out every idea they have the moment they have it

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