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      09-21-2018, 02:37 PM   #89
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I would be pissed off but do you really think that would happen? Don't buy into all of the Trump hysteria. He is laughing all the way to the bank.
Yes, laughing all the way to the bank...literally.
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ISIS/ISIL to name one, my friend.
Trump likes to take credit for defeating ISIS but the campaign to defeat them started well before he took office.
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Trump likes to take credit for defeating ISIS but the campaign to defeat them started well before he took office.
Reckon so but Trump is the one that put it to them. He let the military do its thing.
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All are politicians. Does not matter which side of the fence you are on. They are tolerable until trying to implement extreme policies. Just happens that this shenanigan they are playing with Kavenaugh is beyond obvious and insulting to anyones intelligence. It would be fine if they treated Ellison's accusor the same.
Ellison isn't going for a lifetime position in the judicial branch.
Just saying, you seem more up in arms about this issue (which has been valid so far) then about Garland not getting a hearing at all.

I don’t take you seriously.
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I'm pretty sure that ground has already been covered buddy.

Is that you?
As a voting US citizen, I'm free to tell the POTUS exactly what I think of him.

Just because he's the POTUS in no way means I have to approve or support him on anything. I have absolutely no issue with people "undermining" him if it's the Constitution, this country, and the world they're protecting from the narcissistic thin-skinned Cheeto in office or any other jack-off POTUS.
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Reckon so but Trump is the one that put it to them. He let the military do its thing.
Really? LOL
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      09-21-2018, 05:17 PM   #95
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Ellison isn't going for a lifetime position in the judicial branch.
Just saying, you seem more up in arms about this issue (which has been valid so far) then about Garland not getting a hearing at all.
Read my reply. I use the word agreed as the first word.

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Really? LOL
And, you know different, how?
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      09-21-2018, 05:39 PM   #97
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So many here seem to hate Trump and even say "not my president". I did not agree with much of Obama's agenda but I respected the office and never said he was not my president.

I know it has been hard for many but the President of the United States is Donald Trump. And, if you are American - he is your president.

With that, how many respect the office no matter who is in it?
Put me down as someone who respects the office no matter who is in it.

What "respecting the office" means to me is that the position of President of the United States of America itself holds immense respect. The men that have held this office have been the best protectors of freedom and liberty across the globe for at least the last 100 years... Arguably much longer. Occupants of this office have commanded the most powerful military in the world pretty successfully over its history. Further- occupants of this office have done a damn respectable job managing the US's massive economy; it's large geographic area, and its sizable and extremely-varied population.

All of this is bigger than any one occupant.

While not an exhaustive list... Before I go I'd like to take a moment and point to what I think is disrespecting the office.

Disrespecting the office is not affording the President his/her powers explicitly granted by Article II of the United States Constitution. The examples here are numerous when it comes to President Trump, but again this disrespect is bigger than any one Oval Office resident. So while the intent is to disrespect President Trump, you're actually disrespecting the position of President of The United States of America itself. Further- you're disrespecting the tens of millions of American citizens that voted for that person, and you're even disrespecting our very system of government. I often wonder if people can grasp this concept through their hatred for whomever happens to be in office; or if they even care.
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Reckon so but Trump is the one that put it to them. He let the military do its thing.
Not according to facts.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-against-isis/
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Reckon so but Trump is the one that put it to them. He let the military do its thing.
Not according to facts.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-against-isis/
Politifact is proven to be biased. This is a prime example.
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From your article:
"Trump deserves credit for fully implementing the plan and some limited improvements, but it is nonsense for him to take credit for a program his predecessor had largely put in place," he said.

I did not say he should get all the credit. i said he put it to them - which he did.
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      09-21-2018, 07:08 PM   #101
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From your article:
"Trump deserves credit for fully implementing the plan and some limited improvements, but it is nonsense for him to take credit for a program his predecessor had largely put in place," he said.

I did not say he should get all the credit. i said he put it to them - which he did.
It also says:

Trump is correct in the sense that the Islamic State has suffered its largest territorial losses since he took office, but that confuses the timing with the cause.

Between two-thirds and three-fourths of the firepower unleashed against ISIS hit before Trump became president. The terrorist groupís hold on territory had started to crumble a year before he took command. While Trump ordered some changes in the military operation, the experts we reached said those didnít transform the strategy so much as continue the one he inherited from Obama.

Trump can take credit for keeping the fight going, but he has to share the glory for the results. We rate this claim Half True.
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It also says:

Trump is correct in the sense that the Islamic State has suffered its largest territorial losses since he took office, but that confuses the timing with the cause.

Between two-thirds and three-fourths of the firepower unleashed against ISIS hit before Trump became president. The terrorist groupís hold on territory had started to crumble a year before he took command. While Trump ordered some changes in the military operation, the experts we reached said those didnít transform the strategy so much as continue the one he inherited from Obama.

Trump can take credit for keeping the fight going, but he has to share the glory for the results. We rate this claim Half True.
Thanks for sharing. "the experts we reached" now, that is funny.
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Reckon so but Trump is the one that put it to them. He let the military do its thing.
Not according to facts.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-against-isis/
Politifact is proven to be biased. This is a prime example.
Bias = truth?
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Politifact is proven to be biased. This is a prime example.
Care to supply another source that contradicts what Politifact says?
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Respecting the office: yes, if the man was at my house, I'd show him the utmost respect because of the title and effort. I would attempt to engage in conversation.

Otherwise: He shows little respect for those who disagree with him, or those that came before. Therefore, he is owed something less.
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Trump likes to take credit for defeating ISIS but the campaign to defeat them started well before he took office.
The ascension of ISIS/ISIL to the fore was a direct result of Mr. Obama's policies. One doesn't get to take credit for cleaning up broken glass when he/she knocked the vase over in the first place.

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Put me down as someone who respects the office no matter who is in it.

What "respecting the office" means to me is that the position of President of the United States of America itself holds immense respect. The men that have held this office have been the best protectors of freedom and liberty across the globe for at least the last 100 years... Arguably much longer. Occupants of this office have commanded the most powerful military in the world pretty successfully over its history. Further- occupants of this office have done a damn respectable job managing the US's massive economy; it's large geographic area, and its sizable and extremely-varied population.

All of this is bigger than any one occupant.

While not an exhaustive list... Before I go I'd like to take a moment and point to what I think is disrespecting the office.

Disrespecting the office is not affording the President his/her powers explicitly granted by Article II of the United States Constitution. The examples here are numerous when it comes to President Trump, but again this disrespect is bigger than any one Oval Office resident. So while the intent is to disrespect President Trump, you're actually disrespecting the position of President of The United States of America itself. Further- you're disrespecting the tens of millions of American citizens that voted for that person, and you're even disrespecting our very system of government. I often wonder if people can grasp this concept through their hatred for whomever happens to be in office; or if they even care.
Agreed, points.
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The ascension of ISIS/ISIL to the fore was a direct result of Mr. Obama's policies. One doesn't get to take credit for cleaning up broken glass when he/she knocked the vase over in the first place.

How have you been?
I guess by that logic if there US hadn't been in Iraq in the first place there would have been no troops to pull out.
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I guess by that logic if there US hadn't been in Iraq in the first place there would have been no troops to pull out.
That is chop logic, my friend. Lack of a coherent foreign policy under Mr. Obama is well documented. The rise of ISIS/ISIL can be directly attributed to those policies.

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That is chop logic, my friend. Lack of a coherent foreign policy under Mr. Obama is well documented. The rise of ISIS/ISIL can be directly attributed to those policies.

Cheers, my friend-mk
The foreign policy you are speaking of is Obama's inability to convince the Iraqi government to leave ~5000 US troops in Iraq to fight terrorism which led to the rise of the islamic state. Correct?
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