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11-07-2018, 03:58 PM | #1 |
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Bmw Pe Exhaust + 2nd Cat Delete
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Just got the BMW PE exhaust. Not really satisfied with the loudness of it. Quality and tone is A+ but loudness isn't really much different from stock. Anyways, was recommended to do a 2nd cat delete if i wanted to sound louder. Are there any clips of this? or will it make a big difference? and I can't delete my main cat cause i need to pass inspection, thanks. 2008 135i N54 convertible, BMW PE exhaust + Y-PIPE, Last edited by needalifesoon; 11-07-2018 at 04:12 PM.. |
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11-09-2018, 08:11 AM | #3 |
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I know N54 sounds a little different than N55, but since N55 doesn't have secondary cats, most N55 PE installs use the Y-pipe option (res delete) and therefore have only primary cat and PE muffler and it sounds great.
I have this (with N55). 135is is a stock example of this (the tune gives it the extra rumbles and pops, but the tone and volume is the same). There should be many many clips of the sound online and in the exhaust forum. It is louder, but not too loud by any means. Sometimes I wish mine were a little louder, but then again, I also like a drone-free highway drive.
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11-09-2018, 11:27 AM | #4 |
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Yes, the Y-pipe replaces the resonator. I still have both cats. Haven’t decided yet. The labor is $150-$200 and was told it wouldn’t make a huge difference. I’m not sure what to do.
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11-09-2018, 11:32 AM | #5 | |
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But is a 2nd cat delete going to make it noticeably louder and will it pop more? It only pops when it’s switching from 1st to 2nd. I was originally comparing this exhaust to the Afe Mach force. Is that one louder? I think the PE is deeper. |
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11-09-2018, 02:20 PM | #6 | |
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To be honest, there are times when I wish mine was slightly louder, but only like 10% louder. I am thinking a catted DP will give me just that. I heard one with catless DP and Berk race (no muffler), so basically straight pipes, and it was obnoxious loud (the owner thought so too and didn't leave it that way). I'm south of Boston, so if you get to South Shore much, PM and you can hear mine (again, N55, not N54). Taking out secondary cats will definitely add SOME volume though. Anything that reduces restriction will add volume.
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11-09-2018, 02:43 PM | #7 |
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Here's a good video of an N55 135i with the PE and y-pipe/resonator delete. The burbling effects are from PPK. My car sounds just like this car and I love it. This video uses an external mic so this is what your neighbors will hear lol. Have had someone drive my car while I stand outside and listen so I know what it sounds like. Also, this is not a cold start.
Video is courtesy of 3002 tii.
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11-09-2018, 07:55 PM | #8 | |
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Sounds exactly like this just not the loudness and obviously less burbling effects. Gee, exhaust is perfect for the N55 but definitely not for the N54 |
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11-09-2018, 08:00 PM | #9 | |
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Do you have a video of yours? And when do you plan on adding the catted downpipe? I would love to hear a before and after in person. 😮 If I get a catted downpipe will it pass inspection? 🧐 |
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11-09-2018, 08:24 PM | #10 | ||
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It should pass emissions with a catted DP, with Wagner giving you the best chance of passing without getting a CEL and needing a "fix". I have a video, but this app doesn't allow direct upload and I haven't posted it to YouTube. I'm in Pembroke, but work at the Braintree split.
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This is mine (N55) with VRSF Catless downpipe, Full PE including Resonator delete.
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I prefer to hear it in person this time before doing it 🙄 |
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11-11-2018, 04:40 PM | #14 |
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needalifesoon give your PE some time to break in. Once you put about 10K miles on it... the tone will change a bit for the better. A tune like BMW's PPK or an aftermarket flash tune will also help.
Before I installed my PE I deleted my secondary cats with a N55 mid pipe on my N54 car. While the deletion of the secondary cats made the car MUCH louder at WOT, at part throttle it really wasn't that much louder. And to be honest, it felt like I lost some Hp/Tq down low in the revs <3K. So I reinstalled the N54 mids, deleted the resonator and install the PE. I just LOVE my PE. Here you can hear the finished results. Dackel
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I had n54 135 and put the PE on it. It definitely wasn’t loud enough with the 2nd cats. I then opted for the n55 mids and kept the res and it was just about perfect for me. I really liked the tone. So I had mpe and n55 mids, no y pipe and left the n55 res on. It was solid. Now I have a 135is and am going for Wagner catless dp with rk tunes flash tune. I like the sound of the mpe on n55 just not loud enough like the old n54 was. I had a similar situation with my b58 m240 and spent 4K on the akrapovic dp and full exhaust and that’s perfect also.
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From my understanding the bmw ppk will give more burbles than loudness. That would cost me $1175 from BMW.. I don’t really know much about tunes.. if I were to do a JB4 I read that I would have to replace a lot of things sooner. I’m not sure that would be worth it as I just got the car. Still gotta pay it off. Do you have the Y-pipe or just the PE? |
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11-14-2018, 11:00 PM | #17 | |
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I have an n54, PE, y-pipe. |
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We’re in the same area.. What do you run for tires? I have the Sumitomo tire HTR A/S P02 Performance Radial tire - 225/40R18 92W front / rear. These tires are new.. coming off my other car and this car (135i) is too strong. When it rains / making turns I have to be gentle on the throttle sense it’s RWD (I slide) What do you recommend and will your recommendation help with potholes? Perhaps a wider rear tire reduces bumps? |
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11-15-2018, 04:34 AM | #19 | |
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I have the PE which deletes the rear resonator with a Y-pipe bypass. I have both main cats and secondary cats installed(in that video). I have a German flash tune running 1bar of boost(~14.7 psi) and tuned to run on premium fuel(98 octane SuperPlus fuel over here, which is equal to 93 octane in the states). My tune makes 380 PS and 520Nm of torque and has an open V-Max(~285 kph). When most users here say they have a PE... they have also installed the y-pipe which comes in the kit. PE = Performance Exhaust for the 135i... rear resonator which gets deleted with the y-pipe. Y-pipe and PE muffler... close up of the PE Y-pipe... Since you have an early N54... You can flash your DME to run the Alpina software tune, which is out there on the interwebs. This tune will give you about 360 PS on an otherwise stock car. There is also an Alpina transmision tune, that is also out there on the interwebs... for BMW's 8AT. The Alpina tunes are the best bang for the buck!! But it only works for early 135i's... '08's and '09's with MDS 080(DME's). You can also buy BMW's factory PPK tune online from say Getbmwparts.com or the like... I think for about $700 for the sw code. Then pay a dealer to do the install/update - usually they charge one to two hours labor rate to do so. IF you had a N55, someone has uploaded BMW's PPK tune, on the interwebs as well. You can find it and download it to your car. Dackel
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The 135i came stock with 215's up front and 245's in the rear. Look on the driver's door jam... you can see the tire sizes/specs. Most people run 225's and 245's or even 255's in the rear. I run the 225's/255's combo and love them! I would recommend using Michelin PS4's or PSS's. They are fantastic in the rain, and awesome in the dry. Spend your money on some great tires... bc it's your only connection to the road! See my write up on tires here... My new Michelin PS3’s 225’s & 255’s… https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510873 Dack
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thanks for the clear explanation. |
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Nice! Those tire's are high-performance summer tires though.. which would be perfect for the rain but probably not in the snow. We get slush and lots of snow out here in Boston. Even though the car is a RWD I don't want to slide as easily as I am now. Especially if i'm sliding in the rain. |
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