BMW M1 to be unleashed by M division! (OFFICIAL confirmation from M boss)

[M3_Dust]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

This article implies that it will be a twin turbo.

the article clearly states that it will have the new twin-scroll single-turbo engine developed in the new 5 series GT

[radiantm3]

What's with the electronic diff? Isn't that what we have already? How would that benefit over a mechanical LSD? And does the dual clutch = no proper manual transmission?

If the car is significantly lighter (3000lbs or less), BMW might have something really special and something that no simple mods can make up for.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by M3_Dust

the article clearly states that it will have the new twin-scroll single-turbo engine developed in the new 5 series GT

FTA:
"While the powerplant in that car was never revealed, the new M car will use a revised version of BMW’s latest turbocharged straight six. In standard guise the 3.0-litre unit, recently unveiled in the 535i GT, uses a twin-scroll turbo aimed at providing a more linear delivery of power and better fuel economy than the earlier twin-turbocharged unit used in the 135i.

For the new M car the engine will re-adopt a twin-turbocharged layout, although the new system is said to differ quite dramatically from that used on the older engine; it’s likely to get a new turbo and a more efficient intercooler arrangement."

No, it sounds like it will use a twin turbo version of the N55.

[GreenPlease]

I really just hope they engage in serious lightweighting:
-performance seats
-CF roof
-CF hood
-lightweight battery
-lightweight wheels
-lightweight exhaust (single 3")


Even though it would have zero tunability, I kinda hope they stick with a tuned version of the N55. The power delivery should be more linear. 350hp, if delivered the right way through a 7 speed DCT, would be more than enough for a lightweight 1er.

Here's to hoping for bigger fenders and M3 suspension bits

[GreenPlease]

If the car is significantly lighter (3000lbs or less), BMW might have something really special and something that no simple mods can make up for.

+1. I hope BMW reads this.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

FTA:
"While the powerplant in that car was never revealed, the new M car will use a revised version of BMW’s latest turbocharged straight six. In standard guise the 3.0-litre unit, recently unveiled in the 535i GT, uses a twin-scroll turbo aimed at providing a more linear delivery of power and better fuel economy than the earlier twin-turbocharged unit used in the 135i.

For the new M car the engine will re-adopt a twin-turbocharged layout, although the new system is said to differ quite dramatically from that used on the older engine; it’s likely to get a new turbo and a more efficient intercooler arrangement."

No, it sounds like it will use a twin turbo version of the N55.

They have been working on a intake manifold for the inline six similar to that on the X5/X6 ///Ms- It would be non parasitic and reduce pipe length to improve response even more for 2 small dual scrolls- don't be surprised to see the patent pop up right before the motor launch date...

///M is hard at work.

-M

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

They have been working on a intake manifold for the inline six similar to that on the X5/X6 ///Ms- It would be non parasitic and reduce pipe length to improve response even more for 2 small dual scrolls- don't be surprised to see the patent pop up right before the motor launch date...

///M is hard at work.

-M

Very cool.

[kmarei]

you all looked at the 350hp
if you read a little further

"The modifications are said to be on a similar level to those seen in the recently introduced X5 M and X6 M, whose 547bhp twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 has big changes compared with the standard V8 versions used in the X5 and X6."

if you run the numbers (how much the x5m went from 400 to 547)
the M1 should have 410
i think there is no way they will let it make that much
they won't let it outshine the M3, i think it will be around 390hp
and the M3 will get a small bump to 430 or 440

still, i'd consider selling my M3 and getting this
i always prefered smaller cars
they are more nimble and easier to throw around

[MachineDriver]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

They have been working on a intake manifold for the inline six similar to that on the X5/X6 ///Ms- It would be non parasitic and reduce pipe length to improve response even more for 2 small dual scrolls- don't be surprised to see the patent pop up right before the motor launch date...

///M is hard at work.

-M

Now this could be the pinnacle of BMW I6 engine development if they move efforts to a V6 for the next M3. Something similar to CCM then?

[onefastman]

It would be cool if the m1 had over 380, under 3,000, and had a mechanical lsd. If so I would consider leasing one.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by onefastman

It would be cool if the m1 had over 380, under 3,000, and had a mechanical lsd. If so I would consider leasing one.

I dont think that's too realistic. I can't name one car that has similar power to weight off the top of my head. That would essentially make it a two seater Porsche Cayman S and not even those have 380hp.

[M3_Dust]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

FTA:
"While the powerplant in that car was never revealed, the new M car will use a revised version of BMW’s latest turbocharged straight six. In standard guise the 3.0-litre unit, recently unveiled in the 535i GT, uses a twin-scroll turbo aimed at providing a more linear delivery of power and better fuel economy than the earlier twin-turbocharged unit used in the 135i.

For the new M car the engine will re-adopt a twin-turbocharged layout, although the new system is said to differ quite dramatically from that used on the older engine; it’s likely to get a new turbo and a more efficient intercooler arrangement."

No, it sounds like it will use a twin turbo version of the N55.

so it does.

I don't really believe that this car will become a reality in the form of an E82 anyway, last I checked magazines don't determine what the engineers develop and release. I'll go now so you guys can get back to arguing over a car that doesn't exist with a made-up new engine.

[bmwbenz0101]

This makes no sense. Isn't a brand new one series expected to be revealed sometime in 2011-2012? Would BMW really invest all this money into an M1, on a model that has basically been out since 2005 (hatchback version). To me it makes no business sense for them to do this. It would make more sense for them to develop the new M1 alongside the other new 1 series variants, which would mean we wouldn't see this model till at least 2013.

[whatsthebuzz]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

A big question I have is curb wieght. Seems like the M cars can get fairly porky as of late...

Agree here! In the past they have done some nice things with CF and Alum to keep the weight and CG low. BMW does good things with their M cars, both in the cockpit and under the hood. This will be good if it's done right.

[numba1guju]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

What people are also missing here is that the there will be a CF roof, flares, larger wheels, brakes, the ///M3 diff and transmission, steering rack and a bunch more that the after market just can't do, oh and a warranty.

I hear from readers all the time that ///M is for marketing and that the aftermarket can make a 335 faster than an ///M3- yet it still has not been done for the same dollar for a car that actually makes turns on a race track. JB whatever... it does not matter there is more to an ///M product than numbers and maybe that is why the lowly ///M3 is still faster than anything in that price point. If you want to drag- get a mustang, not a BMW.

This 1er is going to be killer.

didnt read this before but good point, but dont get how you say ///M is more than numbers and and then say ///M3 is faster than anything(is it just me or do numbers actually account for the term "faster"...that and the skilled driver(we know him as, the stig...))

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by bmwbenz0101

This makes no sense. Isn't a brand new one series expected to be revealed sometime in 2011-2012? Would BMW really invest all this money into an M1, on a model that has basically been out since 2005 (hatchback version). To me it makes no business sense for them to do this. It would make more sense for them to develop the new M1 alongside the other new 1 series variants, which would mean we wouldn't see this model till at least 2013.

Actually the business case is pretty strong for this. The M version will likely bring new buyers to the table with a very high profit margin. Most of the existing tooling will be reused, and is already paid for at this point. The engine development was probably taking place for the 3 Series anyway, so this will just help spread the costs over more sales. What it comes down to is that this will largely be a "parts bin" car without a lot of additional developement cost, and that means the margins should be very good.

[Vintage]

I agree on the massively understated performance. My wife's Z4 35i with DCT and launch control engaged does 0-60 in 4.3 seconds. This car should be the same weight or a little lighter with tons more power. It will be a low 4 second car for sure plus awesome handling I suspect. I will now hurry and pay off my wife's Z4 so I can buy a M1 in two years to develop into an awesome track / weekend only car.

Originally Posted by BoostedTerp

LOL @ them quoting 5.5 0-60 for a 350hp version of the 1er. The 135 already does it in the 4 second range. I really enjoy my car and would seriously look into this once it is paid off.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by M3_Dust

anyway, last I checked magazines don't determine what the engineers develop and release. I'll go now so you guys can get back to arguing over a car that doesn't exist with a made-up new engine.

The magazines are speculating, and we're commenting on their speculation. This goes on anytime there are rumors of a new vehicle, and went on for MONTHS before the first 1 Series was ever seen. I'm not really sure why you're taking issue with it.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by bmwbenz0101

This makes no sense. Isn't a brand new one series expected to be revealed sometime in 2011-2012? Would BMW really invest all this money into an M1, on a model that has basically been out since 2005 (hatchback version). To me it makes no business sense for them to do this. It would make more sense for them to develop the new M1 alongside the other new 1 series variants, which would mean we wouldn't see this model till at least 2013.

I've thought this as well, but from what I've read, it sounds like the new 1er will initially debut as the hatch while the current coupe body style (E82) will continue to be sold a little while longer. It's not unusual for manufacturers to release a "hopped up" model towards the end of a model life-cycle to squeeze a little more profit.

EDIT: jeremyc74 already beat me to it.

[southlight]

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[Advevo]

yeah just put in an other soeped up AG turbo engine and put an ///M badge on it.

If you pay premium for ///M i would like an piece of art engine from them. That means 8500 rpm with 320hp or more out of a 3.0 liter high rev engine made by ///M itself like the all the ///M engines. After X5 ///M no proper ///M engine its made from them it s an off the shelf AG engine with a big price take on them. Same goes for the new M5 with Turbo.

If youre looking for a torque engine s or turbo engine s you can shop at almost every brand also the cheap jap ones. This is not ///M worthy a 135i ///M1 for me it s not.

An M1 should be made light and nimble they should not concentrate on high easy to get turbo power figures. But concentrate on an awesome drive like the M3 CSL is. There are more cars with more hp but not so manny cars which are a dream driving corners and steer the car on throttle.

[corrupt23jj]

Originally Posted by kmarei

...still, i'd consider selling my M3 and getting this
i always prefered smaller cars
they are more nimble and easier to throw around

This article has got me thinking the same way. Unless the LCI M3 gets a bump, this car is going to sway potential customers to the M1 in my opinion.