2026 911 Turbo S [992.2]

[Alfisti]

It has to be remembered that the Turbo/S is a totally different proposition to other 911's. It's the softer cruiser with epic, effortless power but more athletic than other GT cars.

I guess my question, before discussing value, is what is it's competition at any price point? Aston maybe? AMG GT? The more I think about it, the nearest competition is .... well it's 991 Turbo/S because I don't think anything else out there has anywhere close tot he comfort/performance/athletism combo a Turbo 911 has, I don't think so anyway? I actually think the McLaren Artura might be the closest thing, it's a very comfy ride by all reports.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

It has to be remembered that the Turbo/S is a totally different proposition to other 911's. It's the softer cruiser with epic, effortless power but more athletic than other GT cars.

I guess my question, before discussing value, is what is it's competition at any price point? Aston maybe? AMG GT? The more I think about it, the nearest competition is .... well it's 991 Turbo/S because I don't think anything else out there has anywhere close tot he comfort/performance/athletism combo a Turbo 911 has, I don't think so anyway? I actually think the McLaren Artura might be the closest thing, it's a very comfy ride by all reports.

Realistically, if you want a comfortable and fast and athletic cruising car, your options are limitless, but not what you expect. You could have an M5, with more space. You can have a y number of super SUVs. You can compromise this way or that way and argue any number of cars are competitors.

What does a 911 Turbo do that a M3 or M5 or M8 doesn't? Sure, it's probably a little sharper cuz it's smaller. But it's also less practical day to day, and WAY WAY WAY more money.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Realistically, if you want a comfortable and fast and athletic cruising car, your options are limitless, but not what you expect. You could have an M5, with more space. You can have a y number of super SUVs. You can compromise this way or that way and argue any number of cars are competitors.

What does a 911 Turbo do that a M3 or M5 or M8 doesn't? Sure, it's probably a little sharper cuz it's smaller. But it's also less practical day to day, and WAY WAY WAY more money.

We're not gonna sit here and put an M5 in the discussion with a Turbo, there's 1500 lbs difference before you even get to the impressive Turbo handling. THAT'S the party trick, you can comfortably cruise, accelerate like a 747 and still chuck it into a corner.

More I think about the more I think the top trim Merc GT and the Artura are the competitors though the Artura harder to live with.

Here's the comparison. THe GT is heavier than I thought and also gets panned for it's rough ride. The Artura and Turbo S are very, very close on the spec sheet. Edit again, I just googled some videos and the Turbo S just walks away from the McLaren in drag races,both from a dig and roll. The car is ridiculous.

Now in saying all that, at this price point I'd look in a different direction as I am not really one to go for this type of vehicle, i'd likely just load up an Emira which also rides well and not spend so much money as I do see value at this price point. The issue again is livability, day to day, this is where the Turbo is so hard to beat, even vs an Emira. It rides a touch higher too which helps navigate urban roads. A nicely trimmed Jag F Type enters the chat at this point.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparis...veh3=402067657

[dumptruck]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Realistically, if you want a comfortable and fast and athletic cruising car, your options are limitless, but not what you expect. You could have an M5, with more space. You can have a y number of super SUVs. You can compromise this way or that way and argue any number of cars are competitors.

What does a 911 Turbo do that a M3 or M5 or M8 doesn't? Sure, it's probably a little sharper cuz it's smaller. But it's also less practical day to day, and WAY WAY WAY more money.

For $10,000 more, you can get a Bentley.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

We're not gonna sit here and put an M5 in the discussion with a Turbo, there's 1500 lbs difference before you even get to the impressive Turbo handling. THAT'S the party trick, you can comfortably cruise, accelerate like a 747 and still chuck it into a corner.

More I think about the more I think the top trim Merc GT and the Artura are the competitors though the Artura harder to live with.

Here's the comparison. THe GT is heavier than I thought and also gets panned for it's rough ride. The Artura and Turbo S are very, very close on the spec sheet. Edit again, I just googled some videos and the Turbo S just walks away from the McLaren in drag races,both from a dig and roll. The car is ridiculous.

Now in saying all that, at this price point I'd look in a different direction as I am not really one to go for this type of vehicle, i'd likely just load up an Emira which also rides well and not spend so much money as I do see value at this price point. The issue again is livability, day to day, this is where the Turbo is so hard to beat, even vs an Emira. It rides a touch higher too which helps navigate urban roads. A nicely trimmed Jag F Type enters the chat at this point.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparis...veh3=402067657

You're adding weight as a subjective criteria now. While the new M5 is very porky, it's not like you can't chuck it into a corner on a back road if you wanted to. Will the 911 be better? Probably. But thebM5 will.do it just fine and be FAR more comfortable, FAR more spacious, easier to live with daily, and doesn't let everyone in the area know you'd prefer the Epstein files be kept sealed.

Look at something like a ZR1 or e-ray and tell me where the 911 is worth 100-200k more. It's so ply buying a badge at this point.

[Alfisti]

COme on man, the M5 thing is silly, it's just silly. That's a luxo barge, no one is cros sshopping these.

Now the vette, there's a good point. It's quite livable day to day but you'd need to climb the rung quite high to get even close tot he performance of a Turbo S.

[LH44]

LOL

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

COme on man, the M5 thing is silly, it's just silly. That's a luxo barge, no one is cros sshopping these.

Now the vette, there's a good point. It's quite livable day to day but you'd need to climb the rung quite high to get even close tot he performance of a Turbo S.

I think you're greatly misrrspresting the point of a 911. The party truck of the 911 is the backseat and being able to claim it practical as a result. Outside of that, there's better cars that do everything else better, but without a backseat. Or, you get a useful backseat and get a larger vehicle and people say "bah that's so much bigger than this 3900lb Porsche"...

[Alfisti]

It's 1500+ lbs! Come on man.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

It's 1500+ lbs! Come on man.

It's only 400lbs from the F90. The fact that the new M5 weighs more than most navies is besides the point. That just means BMW screwed up lol.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

It has to be remembered that the Turbo/S is a totally different proposition to other 911's. It's the softer cruiser with epic, effortless power but more athletic than other GT cars.

I guess my question, before discussing value, is what is it's competition at any price point? Aston maybe? AMG GT? The more I think about it, the nearest competition is .... well it's 991 Turbo/S because I don't think anything else out there has anywhere close tot he comfort/performance/athletism combo a Turbo 911 has, I don't think so anyway? I actually think the McLaren Artura might be the closest thing, it's a very comfy ride by all reports.

Here you go. I know which one I’d choose in a heartbeat.

[Alfisti]

Yeah see that comparison makes more sense. I'd take the Aston just cos I am a tight arse but I actually prefer the look of the previous gen. The McLaren is compelling but from all reports build quality on this model has been extremely disappointing and maintenance is horrific.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Before Covid you could get a brand new turbo S with $210k sticker for $175k. Crazy times.

Wild to think that same car today is going to have a sticker of somewhere in the low 300K range.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I think you're greatly misrrspresting the point of a 911. The party truck of the 911 is the backseat and being able to claim it practical as a result. Outside of that, there's better cars that do everything else better, but without a backseat. Or, you get a useful backseat and get a larger vehicle and people say "bah that's so much bigger than this 3900lb Porsche"...

Agreed. Let's also not forget, the Porsche 911 has been made for 70+ years so yea it's a very good built from the ground up car made for one purpose, performance. It's been evolved and iterated endlessly so it's always top of its game. That said, their advantage was always being so much less than the Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Mclarens that they made sense. They no longer hold any advantage over even most M cars or AMGs these days (i.e. M3 CS is a better car than anything Carrera/S/GTS) by and large and even to that point despite being so much smaller they don't weigh much less in many cases either (base 992 is similar weight to an M2 despite being so much smaller).
Beyond that, the car we buy is no longer even used in racing. It's run with a mid engined configuration because the rear engined GT3 RS was no longer competitive.

[RM7]

Keeping an inferior chassis on top costs money people. If you put enough money and R&D into it, virtually anything is possible...but it's at a cost. And Porsche wants their cars to vastly out-handle or out-power competitors. Most other manufacturers don't put the level of care and attention into every detail to make the entire package perform as well or under hard use. You're also kidding yourself if you think an M3 CS is better than a Carrera S/GTS, if all you care about is drag racing and modding for that, ok, but you can equalize virtually anything there. When steering, turns, agility and other factors come into play, the porsches dominate...even a 911 Turbo. Rear engine may not be optimal, but it's much better for putting down power out of a turn than front engine.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by RM7

When steering, turns, agility and other factors come into play, the porsches dominate...even a 911 Turbo. Rear engine may not be optimal, but it's much better for putting down power out of a turn than front engine.

Porsche is currently 5th in the IMSA GTD standings, behind 4 front engine cars (Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Aston). They're in 3rd in GTD Pro behind Ferrari and Corvette. Hardly dominating.

[dizz81]

It's so funny reading people argue spreadsheets.

Just recently sold my 2024 911T. Great car, but it really didn't do anything better than my previous E92 M3, my CT5BW, or my F80 M4 did.

You might say, "What? How is that possible?"

Well, because every car is only as good as the driver. I'm sure the car can do greater things, but at MY limits, plenty of other options that are FAR cheaper and can do the daily duties WAY better than a stiff chassis 911 that wants to break your back and rattle your teeth over every bad road surface, pot hole, or railroad crossing.

Yeah, sure, the Turbo can do amazing things in the right hands, like professional drivers.

BUT nobody buying that car is going to even come close to utilizing its full potential.

BLKGS isn't wrong. There are far better options out there that already push the limits of what you can do as a driver on actual REAL roads while still having potential leftover, for FAR cheaper prices, and that do the DD thing WAY better.

[Alfisti]

By that theory Porsche would never sell a car, sports cars in general wouldn't exist, we would all just drive sport sedans. Why buy a mustang when you can pick up the model below the M3 for similar money and it is far more practical. How does Ford sell a Mustang when the M2 exists?

Let's take that further, an M5 or Blacking is 600+ Hp and a bazillion torques, no one can use that on the road, it's impossible, let alone hustle it properly. 250HP is more than enough, it is all pointless.

You make no sense, Turbo S competitor is the Artura on one side and the Vantage on the other, I may throw the Emira in there as it is quite livable to some degree. On paper, it is still too expensive in that company but a) it still just absolutely walks away from those cars and b) will retain it's value like a SOB. I'd hazard a gues syou could but a new Turbo S, drive it for 5 years and the depreciation in hard numbers will be similar to the Vantage.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Porsche is currently 5th in the IMSA GTD standings, behind 4 front engine cars (Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Aston). They're in 3rd in GTD Pro behind Ferrari and Corvette. Hardly dominating.

Go to your local track day and tell me that Porsches aren't just killing it.

There are a lot of cars that "seem the same" just reading the specs.

Watching a pro-driver fight a C7 around the turns at the limit of grip and then a 911 that does it effortlessly and not scary-like.

[Alfisti]

IMSA is also a BOP series so let's be honest, bit of a farce as are all BOP series. Porsche is also at a disadvantage as they resolutely stick to a NA 6 cylinder which is without shadow of a doubt a FAR more exciting engine than all the turbo charged engines.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by dumptruck

For $10,000 more, you can get a Bentley.

Oh god. Then Have to look at that eye sore everyday!?!?!? Just have someone kick you in the balls everyday most people that buy these cars don’t even know the specs of the car. Probably don’t care about the ring time or the 1/4 time. They have FU money and wouldnt be caught dead in any BMW product. That’s what they buy their 17 year old as a first car beater. Lol If only I could be so lucky 🍀

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by RM7

Go to your local track day and tell me that Porsches aren't just killing it.

There are a lot of cars that "seem the same" just reading the specs.

Watching a pro-driver fight a C7 around the turns at the limit of grip and then a 911 that does it effortlessly and not scary-like.

Honestly, you cannot defer terribly much in most cases from a track day. Not everyone is all out and beyond that some with new tires, some old, some with R comps, some with summers, some modded, some not. Some with roll cages, etc. Unless you're competing for something or one of the few who go 100% (there always are) most of it counts for little.
I don't track my 911 but in my M3 xdrive, before my current G80 CS, I was schooling just about every Porsche owner at LRP who was pushing their car as much as me and the CS is certainly an appreciable step over the xdrive Comp. In fact, I have a friend who was running a 0:56.x lap at LRP in his stock G82 M4 CSL and not even guys with Nismo GTRs and 992 GT3s who actually were pushing could touch him. The only car that could barely beat that time was a 992 GT3RS. 140K vs someone who paid 500K for a 3RS. Just shows the prowess is M cars (CS is not far off either) which arent built from the ground up sports cars - just imagine if BMW did?
While I love the 911, aforementioned, still own one, and have had several others including two GT cars, they are not easy cars for most to drive 9 or 10/10ths. Ive had guys spin off on many occasions in 911s because they cannot handle them at full tilt.