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      04-25-2010, 06:01 PM   #45
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Price it as Mustang GT..
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      04-25-2010, 06:02 PM   #46
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if it's around $53k with slight options....I think sales will sky rocket
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      04-25-2010, 06:05 PM   #47
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48-50k thats my guess
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      04-25-2010, 06:47 PM   #48
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I'd bet a large steak this thing comes in less than 50k. It absolutely has to. Either that or BMW will be discounting like crazy as they did the with Z4M.
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      04-25-2010, 07:51 PM   #49
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      04-25-2010, 09:12 PM   #50
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Whatever the price is, it will need to be reasonable. The point of this M is get people into the brand, and close-to-50k or more base price ain't gonna do that. Sub 46k would be ideal, like 45,999 + Dest.
My guess is that this is close to the number. Lets compare what it takes to make a 135i into an M1, M Turbo, or whatever they will call it.

Engine- Both are currently twin turbo(N55 will change that) and even with additions it cannot cost too much more. Also the cost of this engine will be shared with the new M3, since they are reported to be sharing similar versions of it, which will help contain cost. I am hoping and only guessing but it would be great if they have figured out a way to use an improved magnesium block to lower weight. This would add some expense but not too much.

Suspension- The M Turbo appears to have robed the current M3 parts bin for quality and to control cost. The test mule pictures revel this. The tooling cost is out of these parts and there should not be a big difference. The M Diff will add cost though.

Brakes- So far what we have seen looks like M3 brake parts too, even though one member eluded to something special for the brakes. I would be surprised if they did not use the current M3 brakes. It would save money again and they would work very well in a car that should weigh 250 pounds or so less than the current M3.

Body- The carbon fiber roof might add cost but I doubt it. That would be comparable to the cost of standard 135i sunroof. On the M3 they swap those out at no cost. All body parts that are being improved upon are replacing existing ones and may add a little cost being of different material, but I cannot imagine too much. Plastic is not carbon fiber.

Interior- Will cost more depending how serious they get. I am not sure if the current M3 seats will fit, as that would again save them a fortune in tooling and testing expense.

Wheels- If they follow the current tradition of not using runflats on M cars, they might actually save money. LOL

Transmission- If M Turbo comes standard with the 6 speed manual, as Scott has mentioned he has seen both, there is no difference in cost as they are the same. The clutch would need to be an upgraded, but it would be marginally more expensive. Hopefully they will lighten the flywheel.

My guess is that to move a $ 36k 135i to an M Turbo is doable for $ 10K. The current 335i to M3 comparison is more expensive as it uses a limited production very expensive engine and should have more cost involved.

Finally BMW executives have said that they want an affordable M product. I think they have a strategy using current M3 parts, new production techniques that make changes more affordable, and a bodystyle that is late in its production cycle, that will let them do it.

We will see....
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      04-25-2010, 09:54 PM   #51
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I think $46-$47k is a tad low. If i had to guess Id say closer to $50k. At the end of the day the M badge carries prestige and thus will carry a higher price tag which we all of course realize. To be honest at the end of the day I dont want it to be too inexpensive , exclusivety isnt a bad thing IMO .... I also realize that this is BMW's way of grabbing a younger audience with an "entry level" M car. IMO though there is nothing entry level about the M badge but you all know what I mean ...
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I think $46-$47k is a tad low. If i had to guess Id say closer to $50k. At the end of the day the M badge carries prestige and thus will carry a higher price tag which we all of course realize. To be honest at the end of the day I dont want it to be too inexpensive , exclusivety isnt a bad thing IMO .... I also realize that this is BMW's way of grabbing a younger audience with an "entry level" M car. IMO though there is nothing entry level about the M badge but you all know what I mean ...
I dont' care about exclusivity. I just want BMW to do it "right", if this means it will be 50+ that is fine with me. I don't want to many corners cut because of cost.....
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so lets see...
335 sedan = $40600
M3 sedan = $55400

335 coupe = $42600
M3 coupe = $58400

3 series M is around $15k more

135i = $36000
$36000 + (guestimate) $12000 = $48000

my guess is the M1 base price will be $48000

I think the M1 will use alot of the performance parts thats already available now and with a tuned engine some what like the 335is with a little more
tuned engine, lsd, maybe LED AE, some M3 parts, new headlight design (like the e90/2 facelift with the build-in eyelid), perf. exhaust, perf. intake..etc . This is the only way bmw can make an affordable M

look at the video...that exhaust is the perf exhaust
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      04-26-2010, 04:06 PM   #54
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The car will be 55-60k with nice options and equipment.
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The car will be 55-60k with nice options and equipment.
That would be too much, IMO....pushing 60 is just too much for a 1 series--you are into lightly equipped ///M3 at that level.

They would be smart to price it below 50K, and with enough goodies standard that numerous options wouldn't be needed...

You could be right, but I think that would be a mistake on BMW's part.....
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That would be too much, IMO....pushing 60 is just too much for a 1 series--you are into lightly equipped ///M3 at that level.

They would be smart to price it below 50K, and with enough goodies standard that numerous options wouldn't be needed...

You could be right, but I think that would be a mistake on BMW's part.....
I think he meant an optioned M1. Similarly the 135i can be optioned to 50k

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Base M3 Sedan is $14,800 more than a Base 335i Sedan
Base M3 Coupe is $15,750 more than a base 335i Coupe
Base M5 is $25,100 more than a base 550i
Base M6 is $29,300 more than a base 650i

My guess.... the M1 is going to be about $12,000 more than a base 135i making it start at around $48,050
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I say it will probaly be around $45k. Remember, the 1 series is supposed to be an "entry" level car to the brand. I don't think they quite hit their mark with the 1 series but that is the idea behind it.

If they price at $50k then the buyer could surely anny up the extra $5k for the M3 because spread over the couple of years that a car is paid off, the increase in the payment is nominal. I think fully optioned the M1 or whatever you want to call it will be slightly less than a base M3.
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I say it will probaly be around $45k. Remember, the 1 series is supposed to be an "entry" level car to the brand. I don't think they quite hit their mark with the 1 series but that is the idea behind it.

If they price at $50k then the buyer could surely anny up the extra $5k for the M3 because spread over the couple of years that a car is paid off, the increase in the payment is nominal. I think fully optioned the M1 or whatever you want to call it will be slightly less than a base M3.
I like your thinking--I would love to see a mid 40's price tag--just don't think it will happen.

That pricing structure would certainly put this entry-level M in more people's range, that's for sure....
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Base M3 Sedan is $14,800 more than a Base 335i Sedan
Base M3 Coupe is $15,750 more than a base 335i Coupe
Base M5 is $25,100 more than a base 550i
Base M6 is $29,300 more than a base 650i

My guess.... the M1 is going to be about $12,000 more than a base 135i making it start at around $48,050
Those cars also have completely unique //M engines, the M1 will have an //M tweaked N55. It shouldn't be more than $45k for an entry level, but I'm sure it will creep closer to $50k.
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