M1 weight update today?

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by Robert

3300lbs at 345hp is good, depends on the driving dynamic. But it's not enough to definitively push the choice ahead of other cars I want

How much did the E46M3 weigh?

T

[Sephiroth]

3400ish on the e46m

[ridin135]

Damn still a pig wish it was 2800lbs and 400hp. I dont see any reason to get rid of my current 1 now. But things arn't set in stone so hopefully these figures change.

[sparoz]

I guess 3300lbs is good considering the extras, 345hp is a disappointment on paper. However, if they can deliver close too 333lb of torque right across the band then that would be a very different story.

[Dackelone]

I don't believe this 345 Hp figure for a second! Do you really think the BMW Perf Pack only makes 20 Hp? They might say "345" but I believe it will be more. Afterall... our cars make more than 300 Hp stock! 300 is just what they say to make 'everyone" happy.

I think we all know in our "M1 hearts" that it will be close-r to 400 Hp - when this beast comes out.

[BMW269]

345 PS very good if it has 405 Nm at 1.000-8.000 RPM.

[brizzom]

I was expecting hp to be between around 360. I think anything above that is wishful thinking and delusional. It just makes no sense and I'm pretty sure scott already mentioned rough figures

[ss134]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

I don't believe this 345 Hp figure for a second! Do you really think the BMW Perf Pack only makes 20 Hp? They might say "345" but I believe it will be more. Afterall... our cars make more than 300 Hp stock! 300 is just what they say to make 'everyone" happy.

I think we all know in our "M1 hearts" that it will be close-r to 400 Hp - when this beast comes out.

No chance! That would make this car faster in a straight line than the M3 which will never happen. This car will not be a drag racer but in true M spirit will handle, stop and feel fantastic. The E9X M3 is not massively faster than a 335 (in a straight line) but they are worlds apart in every other performance increment - i would expect the new M1 to have maximum 350-360 hp and be the slowest M car in a drag race - but will definately hold its own on the track and in driving pleasure - if all you are interested in is Bhp you are missing the point of this car and a modded 135i would do that job very well, in the same way that many tuned 335s are faster than the M3 in a straight line - but they are not and will never be M cars.

[pDz]

Originally Posted by ss134

No chance! That would make this car faster in a straight line than the M3 which will never happen. This car will not be a drag racer but in true M spirit will handle, stop and feel fantastic. The E9X M3 is not massively faster than a 335 (in a straight line) but they are worlds apart in every other performance increment - i would expect the new M1 to have maximum 350-360 hp and be the slowest M car in a drag race - but will definately hold its own on the track and in driving pleasure - if all you are interested in is Bhp you are missing the point of this car and a modded 135i would do that job very well, in the same way that many tuned 335s are faster than the M3 in a straight line - but they are not and will never be M cars.

have to agree with this sentiment.

this is not a pure static numbers car. this is about the entire package.

[SiN55]

Make sense, after all.

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by ss134

No chance! That would make this car faster in a straight line than the M3 which will never happen. This car will not be a drag racer but in true M spirit will handle, stop and feel fantastic. The E9X M3 is not massively faster than a 335 (in a straight line) but they are worlds apart in every other performance increment - i would expect the new M1 to have maximum 350-360 hp and be the slowest M car in a drag race - but will definately hold its own on the track and in driving pleasure - if all you are interested in is Bhp you are missing the point of this car and a modded 135i would do that job very well, in the same way that many tuned 335s are faster than the M3 in a straight line - but they are not and will never be M cars.

To match M3's power to weight ratio, it will need to have a hp of 370-380. Scott has always only mentioned that the numbers cannot be higher than the M3. To me that means, the absolute power (not power to weight), and 0-100 times. Besides he also stated M3 would also receives an upgrade which to me it seems that the power would be higher. The original number rumoured which was deemed to be not powerful enough from a board member was 350hp - so I think it would be higher than that. It comes back to the expected max torque of 450nm which is already in the uprated N54. If it maintains the same torque and revs up higher, it should have numbers of 370+.

Hopefully, we will find out sooner to see what will have installed for us.

[pDz]

Originally Posted by sparoz

To match M3's power to weight ratio, it will need to have a hp of 370-380. Scott has always only mentioned that the numbers cannot be higher than the M3. To me that means, the absolute power (not power to weight), and 0-100 times. Besides he also stated M3 would also receives an upgrade which to me it seems that the power would be higher. The original number rumoured which was deemed to be not powerful enough from a board member was 350hp - so I think it would be higher than that. It comes back to the expected max torque of 450nm which is already in the uprated N54. If it maintains the same torque and revs up higher, it should have numbers of 370+.

Hopefully, we will find out sooner to see what will have installed for us.

my guess is that the next M3, with a turbocharged six cylinder engine will easily surpass the numbers of today's NA v8, maybe not with an 8000rpm redline, but damn close.

so there's plenty of room for the //M 135 to head up in performance because the M3 will be going up by a lot, is my guess.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by sparoz

To match M3's power to weight ratio, it will need to have a hp of 370-380. Scott has always only mentioned that the numbers cannot be higher than the M3. To me that means, the absolute power (not power to weight), and 0-100 times. Besides he also stated M3 would also receives an upgrade which to me it seems that the power would be higher. The original number rumoured which was deemed to be not powerful enough from a board member was 350hp - so I think it would be higher than that. It comes back to the expected max torque of 450nm which is already in the uprated N54. If it maintains the same torque and revs up higher, it should have numbers of 370+.

Hopefully, we will find out sooner to see what will have installed for us.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The M division will not make the M1 faster in a straight line than the current M3 - i guarantee you. They could have given the M3 470bhp easily which would still have been 30+ hp short of 'absolute power' in the M5 but they didnt for a reason - and that reason is that M5 owners who are paying a lot more for their M car expect to be faster than an M3 the same as M6 owners expect to be faster than an M5.

The M division will calculate the correct bhp for the M1 to place it below the M3 as the base M model - if this car made 380bhp with 450nm of torque it would out perform the M3 in every aspect of performance (as i am expecting this car to be dynamite on the track) and that would make the M3 obsolete. BMW are in the business of selling cars and they have stated that they want to make the M brand more accessible (cheaper to buy into) this is the purpose of the M1 - the logic being that you buy an M1 and love it, when your circumstances change/allow you can stay with the brand and upgrade to an M3 - M5 etc. Why would a base car out perform a much more expensive model in the M line up? It will not happen.

When the next gen M3 arrives in 2012/13 then the M1 will be upgraded accordingly. The M1 will always be slower in a straight line than the newest M3 which will always be slower than the M5 which will always be slower than M6 - and if you believe otherwise you clearly have no idea about brand marketing and profitability or are just dreaming. What you will get with this car is better handling than the M3 - the smaller/lighter the M car the better it handles (M3 better than M5 which is better than M6). If you want to sacrifice some handling in favour of more straight line performance then you can buy an M3, same with M5 and M6.

[ss134]

Originally Posted by pDz

my guess is that the next M3, with a turbocharged six cylinder engine will easily surpass the numbers of today's NA v8, maybe not with an 8000rpm redline, but damn close.

so there's plenty of room for the //M 135 to head up in performance because the M3 will be going up by a lot, is my guess.

Agreed - but this will only happen after the current model is dead which is still 2-3 years away at least.

[twenzel]

I dont see what everyone is complaining about. 345 is still more than a $60k Audi S5 comes with and more than the E46 M3 came with. Anymore than 345, the car will move into the M3 territory which BMW doesnt want to happen. I would be completely happy with 345 hp on 10PSI from the factory. I'll have the car modded way past that within a few months anyway!

[Cornhusker]

Scott already said it would be more than 350, I vote 360 if I was to pick an exact number.

[BMW269]

I would anyway get it modded by Noelle Motors and get 500 HP, I am sure it would make 0-100 km/h in less than 4 sec.

[supergoji]

Shame BMW won't decrease weight. A detuned v8 woulda been nice. All the
competition goodies ( steering wheel, cf bits, brakes yada yada) 3200 lbs 370hp.

I can see a shiton of single turbo options coming out for this. However most people looking for speed will buy a used m3 or m5 before they shell out for this IMHO. Just wish german cars were cheaper.

[footie]

Why not wait to see at what revs the peak power is delivered at.

[///Mangler]

Why not do what they did for the S85/S65 and make it a S45TT?? Just remove the two front cylinders like they did for the S38>S14 and make it a TTV6?

I'm pretty sure that would be a monster motor.

T

[Lubo]

^^ Because BMW and V6 next to each other is a blasphemy

[Beemer323]

Harmonics of an inline 6 are far superior to a V6. BMW does proper engines, not cheap fixes.