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      12-11-2010, 12:29 PM   #45
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1. With your reasoning the 128i is a sad excuse of a BMW.
2.Got facts to back it up?
1. Sorry - the Porsche Cayman costs twice as much as the 128i and is marketed as a true sports car - the 128i definitely not.

2. Yep: Porsche Cayman S had a 8:17 LapTime in the famous SportAuto Supertest on the Nordschleife. This test is the benchmark for all sports cars since the testing process of SportAuto is the most "worked out". And this test is also accepted as the benchmark - at least from the german manufacteurers. ///M published, that the 1M will be 10s faster on the Nordschleife than the E46 M3, which had an 8:22 under his belt in the Sport Auto Supertest. So - I am confident that the 1M is a bit faster here...
Regarding the Hockenheimring: The Cayman S is quite fast there: SportAuto Test 1:14,2 with HighPerformance Tyres (NO Semius!). This is on par with the M3 (1:14,3 with CompetitionPack + DCT also without Semis). But I estimate the M3 being somewhat quicker here than the 1 M.... so I think Cayman S will have a slight advantage here...
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      12-11-2010, 12:38 PM   #46
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Looks like BMW UK needs to work on their math skills The power to weight ratio "leading performance" should go to the Porsche - lower number is better.
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1. Sorry - the Porsche Cayman costs twice as much as the 128i and is marketed as a true sports car - the 128i definitely not.

2. Yep: Porsche Cayman S had a 8:17 LapTime in the famous SportAuto Supertest on the Nordschleife. This test is the benchmark for all sports cars since the testing process of SportAuto is the most "worked out". And this test is also accepted as the benchmark - at least from the german manufacteurers. ///M published, that the 1M will be 10s faster on the Nordschleife than the E46 M3, which had an 8:22 under his belt in the Sport Auto Supertest. So - I am confident that the 1M is a bit faster here...
Regarding the Hockenheimring: The Cayman S is quite fast there: SportAuto Test 1:14,2 with HighPerformance Tyres (NO Semius!). This is on par with the M3 (1:14,3 with CompetitionPack + DCT also without Semis). But I estimate the M3 being somewhat quicker here than the 1 M.... so I think Cayman S will have a slight advantage here...


Instead of taking your assumptions as fact. I will wait until real 1M numbers are available.....
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      12-11-2010, 01:03 PM   #48
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Instead of taking your assumptions as fact. I will wait until real 1M numbers are available.....
Ok - but my assumptions are extrapolated on facts (results from tests) and statements of the ///M. While the statement from the poster above (to which I only responded) was just wishfull thinking or claim.
But I agree with you: Let's wait for final test results. Before we have this, please stfu regarding claims the Cayman S is much quicker!
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      12-11-2010, 01:43 PM   #49
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Ok - but my assumptions are extrapolated on facts (results from tests) and statements of the ///M. While the statement from the poster above (to which I only responded) was just wishfull thinking or claim.
But I agree with you: Let's wait for final test results. Before we have this, please stfu regarding claims the Cayman S is much quicker!
Looks like 1M lapped the Nurburgring in 8:12.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ap#post8482149
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      12-11-2010, 01:55 PM   #50
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Looks like 1M lapped the Nurburgring in 8:12.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ap#post8482149
Well then, the Audi TT-RS and Cayman S have faster times.
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      12-11-2010, 01:59 PM   #51
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There really is no comparison here. The 1 M has seating for 4 American people and a decent trunk. The others are tiny cars - I'm not even talking about grocieries - you could barely get yourself and your carry-on luggage to the airport in a Cayman...
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      12-11-2010, 02:14 PM   #52
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Is that a question for me or just rhetorical?

I got the pricing of the 1M off the big info release on this site, first page... first post, you have to click "pricing"
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463733

I got the Porsche pricing off the US website;
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayman/cayman-r/


I have no idea why the Cayman is priced as high as it is... name presitge I guess.

It's Porsche's option list; reliability - Porsche is ranked #1 or #2 with Lexus; driving experience - not apparent in 0-60 figures; and lastly prestige.

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There really is no comparison here. The 1 M has seating for 4 American people and a decent trunk. The others are tiny cars - I'm not even talking about grocieries - you could barely get yourself and your carry-on luggage to the airport in a Cayman...
If you mean four small americans under 5'5" and 150lb, and really stiff rear seats not suitable for drive over an hour.
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Looks like BMW UK needs to work on their math skills The power to weight ratio "leading performance" should go to the Porsche - lower number is better.
Exactly. Class leading highlighted in black... uh I don't think so. QA fail!!
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      12-11-2010, 02:27 PM   #54
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How about VW Golf R?
Hard to say if the Golf would be a competitor for the 1M... it has a lot less power and torque and I don't see it appealing to the same group of people.

If was was to position the R20 against a direct competitor, it would be the Subaru WRX hatch.
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Looks like BMW UK needs to work on their math skills The power to weight ratio "leading performance" should go to the Porsche - lower number is better.
Whoever made that chart should be fired. That category in English is Power to Weight ratio but the units is in Weight to Power, which is what they calculated and Porsche wins that one. Idiots.
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Soooo I should buy a TT because it looks cooler and is faster and better on gas?
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      12-11-2010, 02:40 PM   #57
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They should compare to the new STi Sedan and Mishy Evo as they have been quoted several times saying that is the kind of people they want to target... LET US SEE SOME LAP TIMES AND RACES!!!!
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There really is no comparison here. The 1 M has seating for 4 American people and a decent trunk. The others are tiny cars - I'm not even talking about grocieries - you could barely get yourself and your carry-on luggage to the airport in a Cayman...
I agree, the other 2 cars would typically not be bought for daily drivers/single cars, however someone might buy the 1M as a second car/ weekend car so that is the comparo. Realistically however, most people (this site is not a good example) will probably buy the 1 as their only mode of transport.
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Am I the only one who notices this...??

The Power-to-Weight ratio rank should show the Porsche Cayman S as the winner... the lower score being better! Who wants more weight in their cars? Well actually... the whole ratio doesn't make sense because it should be called Weight-to-Power...
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Looks like BMW UK needs to work on their math skills The power to weight ratio "leading performance" should go to the Porsche - lower number is better.
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Exactly. Class leading highlighted in black... uh I don't think so. QA fail!!
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Whoever made that chart should be fired. That category in English is Power to Weight ratio but the units is in Weight to Power, which is what they calculated and Porsche wins that one. Idiots.
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Am I the only one who notices this...??

The Power-to-Weight ratio rank should show the Porsche Cayman S as the winner... the lower score being better! Who wants more weight in their cars? Well actually... the whole ratio doesn't make sense because it should be called Weight-to-Power...
LOL!
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Wait... is the 1M the only M-division car with a 155mph limit??
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Wait... is the 1M the only M-division car with a 155mph limit??
No...M3 is the same, at least on bmwusa.com.
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LOL!
LOL

what I find funniest, is that no one believes BMW can possibly make a car with better PWR than the Cayman S for a price also cheaper.
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I bet the 1M woould be amazing with just a tune. The amount of $ I've put into my 1er plust the cost of the car is approching 1M price. I bet all this car would need is a tune and maybe an upgraded FMIC and it will absolutly destroy cars on a track.
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what I find funniest, is that no one believes BMW can possibly make a car with better PWR than the Cayman S for a price also cheaper.
They can and have, 4 years ago.

Ford builds a $30,000 car that has more power than a Cayman S.

No one buying a Cayman S is looking for max power. Unfortunately the 1M will still fall well short of it as far as handling goes, as the M3 does.
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They can and have, 4 years ago.

Ford builds a $30,000 car that has more power than a Cayman S.

No one buying a Cayman S is looking for max power. Unfortunately the 1M will still fall well short of it as far as handling goes, as the M3 does.
I'd have to say for most driver's they would have a harder time driving the Cayman S compared to the M3 or 1M. The dynamics of driving a rear heavy car is drastically different than say a car with 50/50 or even a front heavy car 54/46. The Cayman S is 45/55.

The reason M3 get such high praises is because model after model it makes novice driver's look "exceptional" because it's easier to push the car to it's limits due to it's "exceptional" balance.

Though that's what performance driving schools are for. Most people that purchase these cars would just go out and think "Oh it's the best handeling car according to...." and end up looking like a fool or wrecking.
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