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      11-23-2010, 05:56 PM   #67
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I dont know where it is, but I remember reading some time back something about a limited edition 1M GTS - type car. Anyone else recall?
Maybe a 1M CSL.... anyone?

How bad would THAT be! Well... a pretty bitter pill to swallow for those lucky first year 1M buyers. Only lucky enough to buy the first model year and then BMW comes out with an even more driver focused (CSL-like)version. ?

But... I really do not think that will happen.


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      11-23-2010, 06:00 PM   #68
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451hp doesn't make sense on a 1-series regardless of how we look at it. It may be a mistake OR it may be the next M3 engine which I always thought the N54 will be
Any way...451hp from BMW on an N54...happy tuning, N54 owners !
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The 1M will be more rare than the E30 M3. The E30 M3 had more than 17k copies made world wide. No way the 1M will get to those numbers in the limited time frame it is scheduled for production.
i don't thin it would be as special as e 30 m3 with audi rs3 ready for production!!
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      11-23-2010, 07:19 PM   #70
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Maybe a 1M CSL.... anyone?

How bad would THAT be! Well... a pretty bitter pill to swallow for those lucky first year 1M buyers. Only lucky enough to buy the first model year and then BMW comes out with an even more driver focused (CSL-like)version. ?

But... I really do not think that will happen.


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Assuming GTS will be affordable. Will anyone part 80-90k for a N54 engine with LSD, widen wheel base, and stripped interior? Or 1M for 50-60k then strip it yourself.
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Assuming GTS will be affordable. Will anyone part 80-90k for a N54 engine with LSD, widen wheel base, and stripped interior? Or 1M for 50-60k then strip it yourself.
Or how about base 1M with Stroked S65 swap.
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Typical german typo- just like in the history of M3 specs- they use kw instead of HP. The US car will have 332 HP- bc of our crap fuel and CA emissions, this is normal.
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Typical german typo- just like in the history of M3 specs- they use kw instead of HP. The US car will have 332 HP- bc of our crap fuel and CA emissions, this is normal.
Makes sense.
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Typical german typo- just like in the history of M3 specs- they use kw instead of HP. The US car will have 332 HP- bc of our crap fuel and CA emissions, this is normal.
wooo.... 332hp... it was 340hp, then 336... man if this gets any lower it will be a sporty version of the 128i


Anybody else miss the days of speculation when people were talking about anywhere from 360hp to 400hp.... sigh
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Or how about base 1M with Stroked S65 swap.
That will be bad ass. Will require work to properly harness all the power though.
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      11-23-2010, 11:10 PM   #77
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Not trying to burst anyone's bubble but does anyone know for certain that the new M3 will in fact have the N54 engine setup?
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There is basically zero chance the next M3 has N54 in it. Will it resemble N54 and N55 because it's a BMW turbo I6? Definitely.

The M3, like the M5 and M6, will get a true "S" designated engine because they are the halo cars for BMW.
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There is basically zero chance the next M3 has N54 in it. Will it resemble N54 and N55 because it's a BMW turbo I6? Definitely.

The M3, like the M5 and M6, will get a true "S" designated engine because they are the halo cars for BMW.
That's kind of what I was thinking, thanks for the reply.
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There is basically zero chance the next M3 has N54 in it. Will it resemble N54 and N55 because it's a BMW turbo I6? Definitely.

The M3, like the M5 and M6, will get a true "S" designated engine because they are the halo cars for BMW.
not for long with the Vision coming out in the next few years M1/M100
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      11-24-2010, 12:40 AM   #81
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maybe it will red line at 8k rpm as well.
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      11-24-2010, 12:43 AM   #82
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Good find! But I doubt the 451hp will be slated for the 1 ///M, US-variant or not. BMW is creaping into the issues that Porsche has with its Cayman/911 run-in, and we all know how they handle that (de-tune/de-gear/slow the Cayman platform on purpose to not risk cannibalization of their 911 car). There is no way BMW will make the 1 //M an M3 eater, and the 451hp engine would probably outrun the next gen M3 (considering 1- is 400lbs less).

As others have stated, I recon that is this as the basis of the next gen M3.
100% agree. porsche does so much to keep the cayman down. it will be exciting to see how bmw handles this issue
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It says there will be a 135is version with 225kw which is the standard N54 output anyway I wonder what would make it an 'is'? Maybe suspension upgrades? Why choose the N54 for the 'is'?

As far as the 332KW version - well that's going to be pushing it - imagine the supporting mods it will need - did BMW have time to do develop all these things for the one car?

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Typical german typo- just like in the history of M3 specs- they use kw instead of HP. The US car will have 332 HP- bc of our crap fuel and CA emissions, this is normal.
That doesn't make sense.

The other US cars on that list are also in kW, so I doubt that they would just change formats like that, and secondly the other US cars are in kW.
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wooo.... 332hp... it was 340hp, then 336... man if this gets any lower it will be a sporty version of the 128i


Anybody else miss the days of speculation when people were talking about anywhere from 360hp to 400hp.... sigh
Time to just get an LSD and m3 suspension bits for my car. No point in wasting money on a 1M that won't offer anything except a wider body and maybe not having a 100lb sunroof.
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Typical german typo- just like in the history of M3 specs- they use kw instead of HP. The US car will have 332 HP- bc of our crap fuel and CA emissions, this is normal.
+1
That was my thinking too.
This would equal approx. 244 kW.
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I dont know where it is, but I remember reading some time back something about a limited edition 1M GTS - type car. Anyone else recall?
Yes I remember this and if I remember rightly the original source was Scott26.

However that was sometime ago before we knew of the cost cutting and time constraints so it's probably unlikely now.

However a small part of me fears they are watering down the first product to make room for a GTS/CSL version. I certainly hope not.
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There is basically zero chance the next M3 has N54 in it. Will it resemble N54 and N55 because it's a BMW turbo I6? Definitely.

The M3, like the M5 and M6, will get a true "S" designated engine because they are the halo cars for BMW.
The F3X M3 will have an S-designated engine, naturally. The only info we know is what Scott26 (and maybe southlight?) has alluded to in the past: 3.5L 6-cylinder engine with 3 turbos producing around 450HP. Obviously not an iota of this will be confirmed for many months (or even years) given a 2014 debut.
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