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      02-08-2008, 09:51 PM   #67
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Well - the car in Chicago (w/o the oil cooler in the wheel well) did have ZSP so it should be a 150 MPH car. I suspect that the wheel well oil cooler is the legendary 'supplemental oil cooler' and I suspect it's for markets where sustained high-speed driving can occur. Nothing official, but that's the only thing I can think of.

Remember, BMW has brought a number of pre-production and non-US spec cars to meet the demand for autoshows and photography. There is a BMW event at Laguna Seca this coming week where hopefully bryan@mworks can pigeonhole an engineer and waterboard him. Torture is a perfectly valid procedure to get to the bottom of our oil cooler conundrum. ; -)
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      02-08-2008, 09:53 PM   #68
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I'm not bored with the topic. I'm spending $40,000 for a high performance automobile that comes with an engine that has had over heating issues in the past without an oil cooler.
Hope we dont have to wait until Match 22 to find out.
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      02-08-2008, 10:29 PM   #69
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(Thats what the N54 is...a powerful engine with marginal cooling capacities.)
Which is, of course, the fundamental problem. The oil cooler is a band-aid for larger thermal management issues, and it'll be interesting to see if the 135i's packaging exacerbates them.
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      02-09-2008, 01:58 PM   #70
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Which is, of course, the fundamental problem. The oil cooler is a band-aid for larger thermal management issues, and it'll be interesting to see if the 135i's packaging exacerbates them.
It's not really a band-aid in the sense that there's something "wrong" with the engine design. Lots of engines, transmissions and hydraulic systems use oil coolers, and would overheat under strenuous conditions if they didnt have them. (The CLK63 Black Series has a separate oil cooler just for the rear diff itself!)

Thats kind of like calling an intercooler on a turbocharged engine a band-aid, which it is in a sense, with physics being what it is when you compress air beyond a certain point making it too hot for the engine.

What BMW has done wrong (or not 100% correct maybe), is they haven't equipped all N54 engines with enough cooling capacity to handle real world use. It's a corner that shouldn't have ever been cut.
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      02-09-2008, 04:25 PM   #71
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It's not really a band-aid in the sense that there's something "wrong" with the engine design. Lots of engines, transmissions and hydraulic systems use oil coolers, and would overheat under strenuous conditions if they didnt have them. (The CLK63 Black Series has a separate oil cooler just for the rear diff itself!)

Thats kind of like calling an intercooler on a turbocharged engine a band-aid, which it is in a sense, with physics being what it is when you compress air beyond a certain point making it too hot for the engine.

What BMW has done wrong (or not 100% correct maybe), is they haven't equipped all N54 engines with enough cooling capacity to handle real world use. It's a corner that shouldn't have ever been cut.


100% agree. The oil cooler should be part of the standard cooling package on all N54's as part of the engine design. "Band-aid" was a poor choice of words..."necessary" being the more operative term considering the lack of margin at high engine load.

Also, having pumped up the boost on turbo cars before, engine and underhood temps frequently become an issue even if they were never an issue in stock tune. Cooling system upgrades will be money well-spent for anyone tuning their N54 IMHO.
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      02-09-2008, 05:46 PM   #72
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There is oil cooler on Euro models for sure.
Wait couple of secs, I'll post a pic.
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      02-09-2008, 05:51 PM   #73
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Father's 135i, we're getting it on tuesday, more pics follows next week I hope.
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      02-11-2008, 03:18 PM   #74
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What options did he order with his 135i?
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      02-11-2008, 03:21 PM   #75
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It doesn't make a difference. His father is also in Slovenia. We're in a totally different market. I think I'll find out if I get an external oil cooler when I take delivery of my car shortly...
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      02-11-2008, 03:23 PM   #76
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Ah, was under the impression he was in the States. DOH! Didn't notice his location
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      02-11-2008, 06:33 PM   #77
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Here was the response I got from BMW. No information, but I thought it was worth sharing.

Dear Mr. Valentine:

Thank you for contacting BMW of North America, LLC regarding your 2008 BMW 135i Coupe. I am sorry to hear of your concerns regarding a secondary oil cooler.

For more than eight decades, BMW has produced exceptional vehicles people love to own and drive. This tradition continues today in our current models winning recognition and acclaim from respected industry sources. BMW reserves the right to change, release, or hinder the release of a product for any number of reasons, i.e. marketing purposes, product development still underway, etc. at any time. While we also do not have any comments to share regarding non-U.S. specification vehicles, we appreciate your taking the time to provide your feedback.

Our engineering and quality departments follow a systematic and efficient problem solving/improvement process. This is to achieve the best possible customer satisfaction and to actively control the fault elimination process in order to guarantee high product quality. We increasingly extend efforts to maintain and improve the quality of our products as well as the reliability of our services. We stand behind every BMW we build.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this e-mail or contact the Customer Relations and Services Department at 1-800-831-1117, Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time. Again, thank you for contacting BMW.

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My understanding from a co-worker with a 335 coupe currently running Procede V1.4 was that there was no issues with oil temperature on the manual transmission versions. It was only the first automatics that had the oil cooling problem. If a problem was experienced an additional oil cooler was installed free of charge.

For what it is worth he has had no issues to date with procede 1.4 installed. Has V2.0 but has not intalled it yet...something about not needing the extra power in the Canadian winters...blah blah blah blah
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      02-11-2008, 10:18 PM   #79
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The first two sentences were written by Ms. Hawley. The remaing words are just boilerplate. Meaningless.

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Here was the response I got from BMW. No information, but I thought it was worth sharing.

Dear Mr. Valentine:

Thank you for contacting BMW of North America, LLC regarding your 2008 BMW 135i Coupe. I am sorry to hear of your concerns regarding a secondary oil cooler.

For more than eight decades, BMW has produced exceptional vehicles people love to own and drive. This tradition continues today in our current models winning recognition and acclaim from respected industry sources. BMW reserves the right to change, release, or hinder the release of a product for any number of reasons, i.e. marketing purposes, product development still underway, etc. at any time. While we also do not have any comments to share regarding non-U.S. specification vehicles, we appreciate your taking the time to provide your feedback.

Our engineering and quality departments follow a systematic and efficient problem solving/improvement process. This is to achieve the best possible customer satisfaction and to actively control the fault elimination process in order to guarantee high product quality. We increasingly extend efforts to maintain and improve the quality of our products as well as the reliability of our services. We stand behind every BMW we build.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this e-mail or contact the Customer Relations and Services Department at 1-800-831-1117, Monday through Friday from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time. Again, thank you for contacting BMW.

Sincerely,

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      02-15-2008, 12:47 PM   #80
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Ok here is the update I received today out of the blue!


Dear Mr. Valentine:

As a follow-up to your earlier inquiry, we have been advised that the 1 Series will
be equipped with the secondary oil cooler provided that the vehicle is equipped with
the Sports Package. I hope this helps.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this e-mail or contact the
Customer Relations and Services Department at 1-800-831-1117, Monday through Friday
from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time. Again, thank you for contacting
BMW.

Sincerely,

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      02-15-2008, 12:58 PM   #81
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sounds weird?
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      02-15-2008, 01:12 PM   #82
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Finally, what appears to be real information. Glad I went for ZSP.

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Ok here is the update I received today out of the blue!


Dear Mr. Valentine:

As a follow-up to your earlier inquiry, we have been advised that the 1 Series will
be equipped with the secondary oil cooler provided that the vehicle is equipped with
the Sports Package. I hope this helps.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this e-mail or contact the
Customer Relations and Services Department at 1-800-831-1117, Monday through Friday
from 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M., Eastern Standard Time. Again, thank you for contacting
BMW.

Sincerely,

Darlene Hawley
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Representative
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      02-15-2008, 01:13 PM   #83
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wow so the sports package give you more then you thought.
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      02-15-2008, 01:17 PM   #84
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W00t!!!!!


Btw, I think I've learned more intricate details about these car in the past 3 days than I have in the past 3 months!!!
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      02-15-2008, 02:01 PM   #85
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"Word on street at my dealership is the sport pkg adds a second oil cooler."
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      02-15-2008, 03:02 PM   #87
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I thought that would be the case, I am glad someone from BMW has confirmed it now. Awesome!!! Dinan will make good use of that and maybe even make a more aggresive flash for the 135i than they did for the 335i.
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      02-15-2008, 03:06 PM   #88
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I just called BMWNA and spoke with a rep who said there's no news of a secondary oil cooler and nobody by the name of Darlene Hawley who works there. I encourage you all to call and find this out for yourselves.
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