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When BMW releases a "super-car" based on the Vision Concept, I hope you'll eat your words. However, they're not going to get there wasting money on non-sustainable technologies. Welcome to the future.
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03-15-2010, 09:35 PM | #178 | |
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Is it right to suspect that the 1er hatch doing winter testing is the beginnings of looking into the hatch mentioned above? Or maybe a turbo-diesel variant? Any idea about any special M-only colors? |
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03-15-2010, 09:35 PM | #179 |
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Scott,
I'm sure everyone here is interested in the following... Will the M1 engine be tuner "friendly" at all or will BMW continue to implement and refine tuner detection? I'm sure BMW is aware that they are seeing a huge amount of business because of the N54's "potential." |
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Basically what I am looking from you is to understand what is unique about this engines construction and configuration compared to the N54-N55 that is used else where in the BMW range, after all according to what you are telling us this engine will be seeing service in the future M3 that will soldier on until approximately 2020. Considering the lifespan involved, why not another bespoke engine like the S65, say a V6 construction? Quote:
I am interested in your thoughts as to what you think a younger consumer is looking for from an M car, is it a more focused on performance with a firmer more compromised ride than expected from a M3 customer or is it a stepping stone product to wet their appetite for future more expensive models, always wanting to more up the ladder so to speak? Quote:
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03-16-2010, 06:09 AM | #182 |
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Please let's not make this thread into an argument with footie...Just because nobody here agrees with him doesn't mean all the threads he posts in have to turn to crud. He's asked Scott the questions, let Scott answer.
As for why V6T is pushed up, I'm going to make a guess that it has something to do with it driving all 4 wheels and not just the rear two. |
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03-16-2010, 06:40 AM | #183 | |
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A 1 M will never get the race heritage like the E30 M3. And ///M is looking away from real motorsport engines. So what has a 6cil turbo to do with a 380hp 4cil M3 E30 at more than 9000 rpm. So in my opinion a turbo M1 is as far from motorsport as a cow which is sitting at the table eating a nice hot meal. |
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03-16-2010, 08:34 AM | #184 |
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I deleted two posts to avoid any further OT banter. Footie's questions are valid IMO, but the discussion on Footie's rationale isn't and doesn't add anything to the thread. Thanks for understanding!
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03-16-2010, 08:44 AM | #186 |
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Anyway, here are my questions:
related to M1 1) What turbo configuration will the engine of the 1M have? Twin scroll? Twin turbo? Twin scroll and twin turbo (like the S63)? Tri-turbo? 2) What will that engine be called, S55? related to the M5 3) What's the final word on KERS for the M5? Will it use a boost system or even a mild hybrid setup like the Active Hybrid 7? 4) Any hope for a manual transmission for the M5 (both in Europe and the US)? 5) When will the M5 debut? If history repeats itself, the M5 Concept should be on display in Geneva 2011 with the production version being shown in Frankfurt 2011. Is that correct? related to the 6 series 6) Would it be wrong to assume that the 6 series Coupe will get a retractable hardtop? Thanks in advance Scott! Best regards, south
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03-16-2010, 09:18 AM | #187 | |
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I am very interested in Scott's opinions and answers, plus I thought long and hard to keep them very much on topic. P.S. Sorry you had to come in and sort matters out once again. |
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03-16-2010, 10:04 AM | #188 |
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A wealth of information in this thread, thanks Scott. You mention that there will be 6 definite production models on the new 1er matrix. Obviously, four of those would be a 3-door hatch, a 5-door hatch, a coupe, and a convertible. Are the other two models possibly a 2-seater coupe/roadster Z2 variant?
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Maybe 3200 is our best case scenerio--what does the Cayman S weigh?
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03-16-2010, 11:18 AM | #192 |
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Scott is probably in a better position to answer that question but with the 135i M/Sport weighing 1560kg in manual form and the likelihood that the 1M will have DCT which will add around 25kg to this figure I think the very best you could possibly hope for is a figure of 1500kg (3300lbs) unless they drop a lot of standard equipment on to the options list. I would imagine the goal they will be looking to achieve is more to do with lowering the center of gravity and lower the unsprung weight, thus making the car appear to be lighter and more nimble.
You also have to remember that the 1 series coupe is a full 4 seater with a decent boot, not a 2 seater with compromised boot as is the case with the Cayman. |
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Holy cow--no wonder that thing feels like it does.
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It would be more than just a slight dip. 1585kg (the weight of 135i with DCT) would be an 85kg (187lbs) drop, in my mind that is considerable. That is why I think it's the best case scenario as the 1M will also be gaining a LSD which will also add even more weight.
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From Scott's original replies, he implied that a manual was also in the works, which I hope is true. If this is truly to be an M coupe, then I think a manual is a must as the targe audience for M vehicles demand this option for the most part.
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03-16-2010, 12:33 PM | #196 |
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I agree, but with the X5M, X6M and realistically, the M5 and M6 all not being available with (or only with a severely handicapped) three pedal format, I think there's a chance that someone in the ///Marketing division may choose to skip the proper setup.
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There has never been an M3 WITHOUT a manual....BMW is a big company and I am sure there are not idiotic enough to NOT include a manual option for a driver oriented M1/1M....the vehicles you named above are realistically not being track by everyday users...
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03-16-2010, 01:21 PM | #198 |
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I'd hope you're right, but don't underestimate the power of DSG and Euro F1 fans to screw this up for us all. Look no further than the F458 for a car killed by bad marketing decisions. I trust BMW to follow Porsche's lead and retain manuals for the sportier cars, but I do worry that the days of three pedal cars are becoming scarce. No, it probably won't effect the M1, but I'm just starting my whining early.
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