More shit broke (vent thread)

[Matticus91]

This time out of the scope of my warranty. Effing washer fluid hoses gave out for some reason and started pouring fluid everywhere except the damn windshield and headlights. Warranty doesn't cover hoses so it's out of pocket. Dealership said they'd look at it since it was in the shop for leaking fluid less than a month ago, took it apart and said the hoses popped under the pressure of the pump that was replaced (diag of last fix attempt). Bad hoses on a 2013 car with 60k miles?? Not sure I believe it to be honest but my hands are kind of tied. They waived the diag fee and took an hour off the labor, came to $94 in parts, $500 in labor. :mad0 259:

Considering shopping for a 2 series.

In the meantime cruising around in an X3 M-sport.

[ShocknAwe]

So they replaced the washer pump but didn't check the hoses quick to make sure they weren't dry rotted? Nice.

Had to ask myself how much I liked my car recently. Cam ledge bearings went out. Bank account took a hit on that one. Whew. But back in it, engine totally healthy, and loving every minute of it.

If you feel at any time it's not worth it anymore, then the 1er isn't for you! Life is too damn short to drive cars that don't make you happy.

[ODU135]

so is it just the hose that is broken? Have u not considered a DIY? maybe i'm missing something here but I can't see why replacing the hose would be hard at all, nor why it would cost 500$ in labor!

[HomoPirate]

They probably took off the passenger fender to work on washer fluid reservoir and hoses. That's why add up to $500 labors.

[NorthernDancer]

I'd try a complaint to BMW of North America. There is absolutely no reason for your hoses to fail in a 2013. Also note that BMW Car Club of America have 3 ombudsman (MA, FL, TX) who will go to bat for you in disputes with dealers, repair shops, parts suppliers and manufacturers. CCA costs $48 a year and is money very well spent.

[Yeineken]

What kind of wash fluid are you using?

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by NorthernDancer

I'd try a complaint to BMW of North America. There is absolutely no reason for your hoses to fail in a 2013. Also note that BMW Car Club of America have 3 ombudsman (MA, FL, TX) who will go to bat for you in disputes with dealers, repair shops, parts suppliers and manufacturers. CCA costs $48 a year and is money very well spent.

Unless someone has been using straight water(or not enough alcohol) in the washer fluid. Then its easy for the hoses to crack in the wintertime months.

I always use -20'F washer fluid all year round. Some people don't.


Btw... only the inner passenger fender needs to come off along with the front bumper cover. The metal fender stays in place.

Dack

[desertman123]

Originally Posted by Matticus91

Considering shopping for a 2 series.

[gjm120]

I remember reading somewhere, maybe on this site, about the slime buildup in the washer tank and the near brain surgery ordeal of getting it out and cleaned. Is there anything we can do to keep our washer system "healthy" (in addition to making sure we don't have a freeze caused crack)

[champignon]

Sorry for your pain.

As long as I have owned BMWs (goes back to 1973, but is not a continuous period) they have had small things go wrong that cost big bucks. Unfortunately, this is the nature of the animal. I remember having to replace hand window cranks and windshield washer pumps in my old 2002 with surprising regularity.

My 2000 Z3M Coupe, which now has shy of 60,000 miles and was bought a couple of years ago with ~ 57,500 miles, has already cost me about $900 to replace the entire windshield washer system and tubing, plus a small fortune (about $3K) to replace the clutch and shift pins, etc.

Once you get out of warranty, and especially if you put on the miles (as in use as a daily driver) you can expect your costs to mount. There will come a point, assuming that you keep the vehicle, where reduced depreciation will somewhat offset the cost of repairs and ownership.

But these cars are not for the financially challenged.

[mr.fabulous]

Originally Posted by champignon

Sorry for your pain.

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Once you get out of warranty, and especially if you put on the miles (as in use as a daily driver) you can expect your costs to mount. There will come a point, assuming that you keep the vehicle, where reduced depreciation will somewhat offset the cost of repairs and ownership.

Sorry for your pain as well, simple shit should be... well, simple. On newer cars, it often is not.

I drove my E36 to 170K and for the last 70K it cost me an OFHG (needed it), a power steering line (from the reservoir, a crimp failed), and an alternator (preventative). That was it, that car was a rock and it cost me nothing to drive it. I ultimately gave it away because of rust (originally a WI car).

I love my E82, most fun car I have ever owned. Its HPFP is throwing shadow codes and its DMFW grumbles like crazy (getting worse, this one seriously worries me). A very different creature than the older cars.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by mr.fabulous

Sorry for your pain as well, simple shit should be... well, simple. On newer cars, it often is not.

I drove my E36 to 170K and for the last 70K it cost me an OFHG (needed it), a power steering line (from the reservoir, a crimp failed), and an alternator (preventative). That was it, that car was a rock and it cost me nothing to drive it. I ultimately gave it away because of rust (originally a WI car).

I love my E82, most fun car I have ever owned. Its HPFP is throwing shadow codes and its DMFW grumbles like crazy (getting worse, this one seriously worries me). A very different creature than the older cars.

Perhaps not the best example, but 2 refrigerators ago, I remember the delivery/installation guys telling me that every time they take an old refrigerator out, it weighs a lot more than the one they are installing, plus, about the new one, that "this is not your grandmother's refrigerator."

What he meant by that was that while grandma might have had the same fridge for 20 years, the one they were installing would probably last 5 years, 10, tops.

It is way easier to abandon a $1500 fridge, even a $3000 fridge, after 5 years, then a car you have become attached to. This is doubly so when the cars being made now are not much fun to drive and just seem like a way station on the way to autonomous driving vehicles.

Not ending on a cheery note, sorry, just I can't come up with a good thing to say, under the circumstances.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by champignon

Perhaps not the best example, but 2 refrigerators ago, I remember the delivery/installation guys telling me that every time they take an old refrigerator out, it weighs a lot more than the one they are installing, plus, about the new one, that "this is not your grandmother's refrigerator."

What he meant by that was that while grandma might have had the same fridge for 20 years, the one they were installing would probably last 5 years, 10, tops.

It is way easier to abandon a $1500 fridge, even a $3000 fridge, after 5 years, then a car you have become attached to. This is doubly so when the cars being made now are not much fun to drive and just seem like a way station on the way to autonomous driving vehicles.

Not ending on a cheery note, sorry, just I can't come up with a good thing to say, under the circumstances.

I got a cheery note...
I've had my 2011 135i since Oct 2010 and nothing's gone wrong so far.

I know I know...
The pain is coming.

[fcman]

Had one of the thermostat hoses go Thursday night. ~$600. This is probably my last BMW that I own out of warranty (or maybe at all)

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I got a cheery note...
I've had my 2011 135i since Oct 2010 and nothing's gone wrong so far.

I know I know...
The pain is coming.

All things considered, I haven't had that much trouble from the cars I have owned, over the years (more years than I care to recount in this forum).

In general, I haven't kept cars all that long, although I did own my 1973 2002 for 8 years, and my 1993 325i for 10 years. I guess that is because, up until now, those were my favorite all time cars. I never kept any of my (many) Subarus more than 3 years, nor any VW more than 4.

I do currently own 4 BMWs, none of them purchased new, and 3 of the 4 being 1-Series. Of those, my 2013 135i Coupe, of which I am the 2nd owner and which now has under 18,000 miles, reminds me most of the old 325i, the car I "bonded" with the most in my earlier life and which was the hardest vehicle I ever parted the ways with. But, it ultimately just wore me out with minor electrical system failures that drove me nuts. Hopefully they have figured all that shit out, now 20 years later.

People put up with the kinks, the petty annoyances, with these BMWs because they are, should I say, "were," fun to drive. When I look at the loaner cars I have been given over the last couple of years when my current crop of vehicles has been in the shop, I can't fathom putting up with any of them, at the first sign of failure.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by champignon

All things considered, I haven't had that much trouble from the cars I have owned, over the years (more years than I care to recount in this forum).

In general, I haven't kept cars all that long, although I did own my 1973 2002 for 8 years, and my 1993 325i for 10 years. I guess that is because, up until now, those were my favorite all time cars. I never kept any of my (many) Subarus more than 3 years, nor any VW more than 4.

I do currently own 4 BMWs, none of them purchased new, and 3 of the 4 being 1-Series. Of those, my 2013 135i Coupe, of which I am the 2nd owner and which now has under 18,000 miles, reminds me most of the old 325i, the car I "bonded" with the most in my earlier life and which was the hardest vehicle I ever parted the ways with. But, it ultimately just wore me out with minor electrical system failures that drove me nuts. Hopefully they have figured all that shit out, now 20 years later.

People put up with the kinks, the petty annoyances, with these BMWs because they are, should I say, "were," fun to drive. When I look at the loaner cars I have been given over the last couple of years when my current crop of vehicles has been in the shop, I can't fathom putting up with any of them, at the first sign of failure.

I know I've been lucky and not the normal story you hear on the forum. I love my car and I'm willing to pay for what happens next. Don't want any of the newer cars either. The only one that looks like it might be decent is the M2 and I've yet to drive one so only know what I've read. We'll see what the future has in store for me and my little 1er. Who knows, it could blow up tomorrow.

[mackeroni]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I got a cheery note...
I've had my 2011 135i since Oct 2010 and nothing's gone wrong so far.

I know I know...
The pain is coming.

What about the recalls?

1. Battery cable
2. VANOS bolts
3. Airbag inflator
4. U-joint rivets

These are things that did (or would have) gone wrong. Right? I still count them as issues, even if BMW did (or will) pay for them.

Peace... Mack

[gjm120]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I know I've been lucky and not the normal story you hear on the forum. I love my car and I'm willing to pay for what happens next. Don't want any of the newer cars either. The only one that looks like it might be decent is the M2 and I've yet to drive one so only know what I've read. We'll see what the future has in store for me and my little 1er. Who knows, it could blow up tomorrow.

Ditto about really liking the cars. I needed a car for awhile and nothing appealed to me but the 1er. But, $500+ for cracked washer hoses is nuts. And like I mentioned above, there apparently is a likelihood of getting sludge in the system.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by gjm120

I remember reading somewhere, maybe on this site, about the slime buildup in the washer tank and the near brain surgery ordeal of getting it out and cleaned. Is there anything we can do to keep our washer system "healthy" (in addition to making sure we don't have a freeze caused crack)

I only use genuine OE washer fluid. Have heard of other washer fluids causing the issues.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by mackeroni

What about the recalls?


4. U-joint rivets

Wait, what is this one about?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by mackeroni

What about the recalls?

1. Battery cable
2. VANOS bolts
3. Airbag inflator
4. U-joint rivets

These are things that did (or would have) gone wrong. Right? I still count them as issues, even if BMW did (or will) pay for them.

Peace... Mack

I don't think recalls count since they affect many cars and not just my car in particular.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Wait, what is this one about?

Maybe he's means CV joint failure, and my car is not part of that recall.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...hlight=recalls