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      03-14-2010, 08:35 AM   #155
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The M3 GTS has sold out it's allocation and the media will be driving this car in the next few weeks.
Shall we get laptimes of the M3 GTS on the Ring? 7:30 min anywhere?


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The Triple-Turbo is BMW's response to a V8 Diesel but only being six cylinders.
It is being touted as the Performance Diesel and will be placed in upper level cars from the 5 upwards.
The first outing of this powerplant will be communicated next year at the IAA in Frankfurt. The badging of these cars is still undetermined but they will be like Diesel versions of the iS car in concept which means a slightly more sporty appearance and individual aero packet.
This engine embodes everything about the "Efficient Dynamics" philosophy such as Great performance and excellent efficiency.
You say they will get an individual aero packet. Let us take the example of the 5 Series F10. So we have Standard, shall have M-Pacakge, maybe as the X6 shown at Geneva a BMW Performance Package, the M5 body, and yet the "550ds" aero packet. Isn't it to much pricewise? Because I do not think the "550ds" will be a volume seller as the 530d? If not why no new bumper for the M3 E92/E93 to fit the LCI headlights?


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You might want such a car and so might a few others but the majority want the performance and they want the luxury also. Unfortunately with this problem it does not justify the production of such cars to a market like North America. In the end of the day it comes down to the decision can a car like this be sold in such a market? Unfortunately the answer is no which is why BMW North America had to reject the M3 GTS because the dealer network did not think the car would find a consumer base.
As not many are interessted in a "stripped" M Car like the M1 CSL/GTS, M3 CSL/GTS, Z4 M CSL/GTS, and building such a car is to expensive, and many do not like the idea of having a "not special" M3 compared to a Porsche 911 GT3/GT3 RS, why not develop a special car for this purpose, sort of "BMW M CSL" and leave the other "M3 CSL" or eventual "M1 CSL" away?


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The Z4 again was a low cost car to develop as the engine came from the E46 M3 and the car was originally designed as Coupe too but placed on hiatus.
Coupe was introduced to prop up the Z4 is some markets where the Roadster was not doing well than expected.
With the 1-M the basis engine for this car is where the major development has gine into this project as like the V8 from the X5M and X6M being the basis for the upcoming M5 , The 1-M powerplant will be the basis for the next M3 model.
When I say the basis they will be totally different in character and performance it will not be just one engine , one car The engine will be directed to accompany the car not be a simple transplant from one car to the next.
Is the Z4 Coupé E89 also already designed but placed on hiatus? Can't the Z4 M E89 get the S65 engine from the M3 E92? Why let the market to other 2-seater coupes as Nissan 370Z, Audi TT-RS, Porsche Cayman S and so?

The M5 F10 engine will be based on the X5/X6 M E70/E71 engine, but not the same. Does it mean redline at 7.500-8.000 rpm, similar to McLaren MP4-12C redline at 8.500 rpm (I know it is not the same kind of cars and not for the same purpose)?


By the way, thanks for the direct answers.

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Sorry, but I have one more question. When will be the first photos revealed, at least only exteriour?
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Sorry, but I have one more question. When will be the first photos revealed, at least only exteriour?
Ditto.

And if this car in mid 2011 is intended to compete with Audi and Porsche models that are already 2-4 years old NOW it better be way more impressive than 350hp cuz it ain't like VW Group is sitting around with their billions on dollars and economies of scale development coming from Lamborgini either.

Additionally BMW better have a laser focus on keeping the M3 at the top ax well ... Unless this car is the replacement.

More questions means why? But then again M owners were furious with the X5/X6 M too and those are just bad to the bone.
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Why did BMW stop the 3 Series Compact? Is there no market for this car?

Why has BMW decided to call the 5 Series GT (Gran Turismo) F07 so, instead of V5? BMW Gran Turismo and Maserati GranTurismo, have the same name but are quite different.

Why is the new "hard-core" M3 called M3 GTS and not M3 CSL, like the previous one? CSL means Coupé Sport Light(weight). What does GTS stand for?

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Shall we get laptimes of the M3 GTS on the Ring? 7:30 min anywhere?
Yes our engineers have spent considerable time with this car over the past few months. So you will get to see it's full capability and then it will be the media's turn.

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Why did BMW stop the 3 Series Compact? Is there no market for this car?
The BMW 1er Sporthatch in 3dr and 5dr effectively replaced the 3er Compact.

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Why has BMW decided to call the 5 Series GT (Gran Turismo) F07 so, instead of V5? BMW Gran Turismo and Maserati GranTurismo, have the same name but are quite different.
We effectively suggested a letter followed by a number like "Z" and "X" however other companies had similar branding with an extra digit before or after and then the complex legal issues began.GT was suggested by the designer who interpreted his car as a country crossing Gran Turismo. The name itself suggests driving in style , in luxurious surroundings and in an effortless direction. Which is the definition of the 5er Gran Turismo.

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Why is the new "hard-core" M3 called M3 GTS and not M3 CSL, like the previous one? CSL means Coupé Sport Light(weight). What does GTS stand for?
The car is called GTS to showcase a spiritual link on the track with the E92
M3 GT Race car. S simply stands for Strasse or Street. Because of it's road car specification.


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You say they will get an individual aero packet. Let us take the example of the 5 Series F10. So we have Standard, shall have M-Pacakge, maybe as the X6 shown at Geneva a BMW Performance Package, the M5 body, and yet the "550ds" aero packet. Isn't it to much pricewise? Because I do not think the "550ds" will be a volume seller as the 530d? If not why no new bumper for the M3 E92/E93 to fit the LCI headlights?
Because these are "Performance diesels there is a trend to keep that identity by offering a unique application to the car.
As of now certain packages offer the same look with the same engine with only some variants allowing for upgrade via BMW Performance.
Similar in concept to the iS cars the Diesels will offer a slightly athletic appearence to identify them.
With The M3 it is more complex The front of the car would have to be redesigned and reprofiled to accomodate the updated changes. It is why the E46 M3 did not get updated alongside the regular E46 Coupe purely down to cost reasons.


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As not many are interessted in a "stripped" M Car like the M1 CSL/GTS, M3 CSL/GTS, Z4 M CSL/GTS, and building such a car is to expensive, and many do not like the idea of having a "not special" M3 compared to a Porsche 911 GT3/GT3 RS, why not develop a special car for this purpose, sort of "BMW M CSL" and leave the other "M3 CSL" or eventual "M1 CSL" away?
This is purely a marketing decision , unfortunately such concepts cannot be sustained aswell as we would like. An M car has to be an M car throughout and specific attention to detail is applied in every area where it counts.
Additional variants are purely brought on by marketing demand which is where the GTS comes in , A similar concept in full production instead of limited numbers will not be able to be sustained as some markets would mean the car would unsaleable due to the market cost and that customers would not give up their luxury and comfort.


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Is the Z4 Coupé E89 also already designed but placed on hiatus? Can't the Z4 M E89 get the S65 engine from the M3 E92? Why let the market to other 2-seater coupes as Nissan 370Z, Audi TT-RS, Porsche Cayman S and so?
The Z4 Coupe was conceived alongside it's Roadster as we were at two minds of offering a folding hard-top at first. We also considered lower engined models using a Soft-top with a folding hard top on the upper models.
The Z4 coupe was simply the Roadster with a fixed hard top as you can see with the launch of the GT car. And the distinguishing design features from the Coupe are plain to see on the iS model.
Z4 Coupe E86 was introduced because sales of the E85 were sliding , however sales of the E89 have been exceptional meaning the only Coupe for now will be the Race car . There are no plans as of now currently for a Z4 M.


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The M5 F10 engine will be based on the X5/X6 M E70/E71 engine, but not the same. Does it mean redline at 7.500-8.000 rpm, similar to McLaren MP4-12C redline at 8.500 rpm (I know it is not the same kind of cars and not for the same purpose)?
The thing to understand is that the engine has to accompany the car not simply dropped in. So the engineers no exactly what is the best requirements for the car , overall figures etc are not concrete as now because the car is far from finished.

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Any chance that BMW performance parts may be offered as factory installed options (specifically for the 128 and 328)?

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Hi Scott, thanks for answering the questions. I have just one question: there are some 1 series owners-- as well as 3 series owners-- who have experienced hpfp failures, what is bmw engineers doing to ensure that this type of issue doesn't occur with the M1? Thanks.
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How much wider will the 1M/M1 be? Will we finally be able to fit some good wide rubber on there without extensive modification?

Will it have a LSD?

Will it have a domed hood ala M3?
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      03-15-2010, 12:12 AM   #163
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^^^Good question.

Will it have a REAL LSD?
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1M infos?

Hello Scott,

Do you have any idea when the 1M will be available for order?
Will it be import to Canada?
Will the carbon fiber hood and trunk match body color?
What kind of power figures we might expect?
What kind of engine we might expect N54, N55, twin, single turbo?

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I have a few simple questions for Scott regarding the 1M and future M3.

1/ There is lots of rumours flying around about whether the 1M will be made. Can you confirm whether the M1 still has a green light or has it been downscaled to a 135iS?

2/ What exactly is different about this engine to the N54 and N55?

3/ You has also been quoted as saying that this engine and the F32 M3 engine share a lot of common ground, in what way?

4/ If it's still going to be released then why was the date put back from Geneva. I hear it wasn't meeting expectations, how exactly, please try to elaborate beyond what is already know, i.e. specific reasons if possible?


Thanks ahead of time for your reply.

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Will those of us who wish to keep our current cars be able to swap over some of the 1-M hardware to our cars with ease? (LSD, brakes, roof, eyebag-less bumper, seats, etc).

Also, when will BMW release another "exotic" similar to the Z8? For the past decade we've salivated over the SLR, CLK DTM, SL65 Black Series (and the Black Series in general), and now the SLS... what the heck is the hold up? The last 4 years I was expecting a tuned S85 to be the heart of a mid-engined revival of the original M1 by now, I even would have settled with another tribute to 507... The M1 homage was interesting to see, why did the execs kill that train of thought?

Thank you for letting us know what is going on in München, it is refreshing to know that BMW cares enough about its loyal customers to provide us with the scoop on our favorite products.

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Thanks for the answers Scott.
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Thanks Scott. As always, I appreciate the answers.
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By the way, thanks for the direct answers.
I sincerely hope I don't appear to be smart or anything but I believe we ALL very much appreciate the answers Scott is kindly responding with.

Every day, I jump onto this forum to hear the latest as I’m sure many others do also. What I mean to say is we may not all say a direct thanks but we sure are thinking it.

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It is said that BMW is working on a "small" BMW CS Concept, so based on the 6 Series F1x to rival the Mercedes CLS and Audi A7, maybe also the Porsche Panamera.
Will it be called 6 GT or 6 CS?
"GT" stands for Gran Turismo and what does "CS" stand for?

The next 1 Series F2x is also going to have four body variants: 5 door Hatch, 3 door Hatch, Coupé and Convertible.
Will the Coupé and Convertible models called 2 Series?
Is there a possbility of giving the 1 Series 3 door Hatch another body design, as for example the 5 GT is deferent from the 5 Series Sedan / Touring, and call it 2 Series GT or CS?
The purpose for this would be to have the 3 door Hatch more sporty than 5 door Hatch, somehow like what the VW Scirroco is to the VW Golf, as I think the the 5 door Hatch and 3 door Hatch do not have the same clients. The one want a small practical car, and the others a small sporty car, yet not a Coupe.

The next M3 is going to be FI. Now the M3 GT2 is based on the M3 including its NA V8 engine. Will the next M3 Motorsport be based on the FI engine, or will the race-car still get another NA engine?

Sorry for asking so much. Hope you don't get tired of me.
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A good question, but I'm not sure one that can be answered (yet). Not only will it depend on equipment, especially if you opt for add'l carbon pieces, but I don't think the car is finished yet. Hence, why we haven't seen any camo'd mules running around, just 135's with parts tacked on.

Maybe a better question would be: "Scott, what number (weight) are the engineers targeting with the M1 coupe?"
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Scott, could you confirm what I am saying about THIS spoted 1 Series F20? I say even if it has an exhaust pipe on each side, it is not a 135i but a 125i. It does not have any I6 but a FI I4 around 250 hp. Can you confirm that the 1 Series F20 biggest engine will be an I4 an it will not have any I6 anymore?
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A good question, but I'm not sure one that can be answered (yet). Not only will it depend on equipment, especially if you opt for add'l carbon pieces, but I don't think the car is finished yet. Hence, why we haven't seen any camo'd mules running around, just 135's with parts tacked on.

Maybe a better question would be: "Scott, what number (weight) are the engineers targeting with the M1 coupe?"
I would guess 3300 lbs, because that would be ~100 or so less that the 135, right?

Any weight loss would be beneficial....
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I would guess 3300 lbs, because that would be ~100 or so less that the 135, right?

Any weight loss would be beneficial....
Hoping for closer to 3000, but I know that's a very high expectation for this chassis.
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Any chance that BMW performance parts may be offered as factory installed options (specifically for the 128 and 328)?
The offering of such performance parts offered as factory installed options falls to the demand , since this is a US question , I cannot really answer because I have no clear idea of what customers want within the US.
In Europe there is so far there is no such demand, because of the wide choice of variants available and "BMW performance" options.
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Hi Scott, thanks for answering the questions. I have just one question: there are some 1 series owners-- as well as 3 series owners-- who have experienced hpfp failures, what is bmw engineers doing to ensure that this type of issue doesn't occur with the M1? Thanks.
I know that this is a problem amongst many members here and I am not entirely certain about the full details. I do know that BMW have spent considerable money and engineering in eliminating this problem. And I am sure the M division will have this at the forefront of their minds when testing the reliability of the new M.
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How much wider will the 1M/M1 be? Will we finally be able to fit some good wide rubber on there without extensive modification?
The rear and front track are wider so there will be a slight massage at the front and rear to accomodate the changes and give it a visual identity seperating it from the regular Coupe models.
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Will it have a LSD?
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Will it have a domed hood ala M3?
There is a raised power bulge accomodated by the designers for visual difference.
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Do you have any idea when the 1M will be available for order?
Once the first appearance of the car has been shown to the public.
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Will it be import to Canada?
North America/Canada is an important market for M products
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Will the carbon fiber hood and trunk match body color?
Currently the optional programme is in planning so I cannot say whether body colour will be available or not as the programme is still in it's infancy.
I would like to think that the customer would deserve a choice
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What kind of power figures we might expect?
It will be powerful to justify it's premium over the 135i but not to overstep the M3.
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What kind of engine we might expect N54, N55, twin, single turbo?
The engine is based upon BMW's latest Six Cylinder N55 with Twin-Turbo technology.

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There is lots of rumours flying around about whether the 1M will be made. Can you confirm whether the M1 still has a green light or has it been downscaled to a 135iS?
The answer I give to you is to decide on what you have seen and what you have heard officially, I would not be doing this if there is nothing on the horizon.
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What exactly is different about this engine to the N54 and N55?
The phasing in of the N55 over the N54 is purely about efficiency.
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You has also been quoted as saying that this engine and the F32 M3 engine share a lot of common ground, in what way?
To recoup the cost of the engine development it has to be shared within another vehicle. A Z4M is ruled out so the decision was taken to use this engine as the basis for the next M3. Sharing the development allows BMW excellent cost efficiency when justifying a one off project such as the 1 late in it's production cycle.
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If it's still going to be released then why was the date put back from Geneva. I hear it wasn't meeting expectations, how exactly, please try to elaborate beyond what is already know, i.e. specific reasons if possible?
We were working on the car for a Spring release unfortunately Autoshows especially high profile shows such as Geneva were all about product. The focus was intentionally on the World Premiere of the new BMW
5er Sedan. A key important car for BMW and the decision was taken that nothing else should overshadow the 5er and the other new products that were coming to the market.
As for the 1M well you have the car in it's basic protoype form being a 135i with M underpinnings. The car mechanically is far from ready although the visual package is ready testing continues. This car is important because it has to make the M brand accessible to a younger demographic , particular younger customers and it has to show where M is going especially for the next generation.

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Will those of us who wish to keep our current cars be able to swap over some of the 1-M hardware to our cars with ease? (LSD, brakes, roof, eyebag-less bumper, seats, etc).
Officially no.
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Also, when will BMW release another "exotic" similar to the Z8? For the past decade we've salivated over the SLR, CLK DTM, SL65 Black Series (and the Black Series in general), and now the SLS... what the heck is the hold up? The last 4 years I was expecting a tuned S85 to be the heart of a mid-engined revival of the original M1 by now, I even would have settled with another tribute to 507... The M1 homage was interesting to see, why did the execs kill that train of thought?
The problem that many people do not understand with an exotic vanity project is that such a programme is not entirely profitable.
We have considered such an idea in the past but when demand is compared with the dreamers it does not justify to spend considerable amounts of money with no return.
People may mention the Audi R8 was a respite to this claim , but Audi has considerable use of the VAG parts bin it is a car based on another car using the engine etc from the other car. VAG has the resources for such projects , BMW AG does not. Whilst other manufacturers were investing in such concepts BMW has invested heavily in Efficient dynamics and because of this BMW is the number one Premium manufacturer and automobile manufacturer who has done more to reduce c02 levels on it's products. Our competitors are trying to catch up , But BMW remain far ahead. BMW's focus is on the Project-i Initiative and the premium compact platform that will underline an expansion of 1er based models.
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Will BMW be ending the 2011 MY on some cars early? Like they did with the 2010's?
Some models will end early.
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It is said that BMW is working on a "small" BMW CS Concept, so based on the 6 Series F1x to rival the Mercedes CLS and Audi A7, maybe also the Porsche Panamera.
Will it be called 6 GT or 6 CS?
"GT" stands for Gran Turismo and what does "CS" stand for?
Yes we are working on a four door Coupe using the new 5,6,7 matrix.
It will be designated as CS 650i.
"CS" stands for "Coupe Sedan"
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The next 1 Series F2x is also going to have four body variants: 5 door Hatch, 3 door Hatch, Coupé and Convertible.
Will the Coupé and Convertible models called 2 Series?
No they will remain as 1er. But there will be 6 definite production models based of the new 1er matrix. We have four additional projects under investigation and feasibility study.
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Is there a possbility of giving the 1 Series 3 door Hatch another body design, as for example the 5 GT is deferent from the 5 Series Sedan / Touring, and call it 2 Series GT or CS?
There wont be a 1er GT because BMW intend to offer such a concept within the 3 and 5 only. But there are additional options being looked at.
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The purpose for this would be to have the 3 door Hatch more sporty than 5 door Hatch, somehow like what the VW Scirroco is to the VW Golf, as I think the the 5 door Hatch and 3 door Hatch do not have the same clients. The one want a small practical car, and the others a small sporty car, yet not a Coupe.
BMW realise that there is a market for compact hatches especially in the performance arena. Although it will not be an M there will be a Performance specification model which could use Tii to rival other compact sport hatches.
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The next M3 is going to be FI. Now the M3 GT2 is based on the M3 including its NA V8 engine. Will the next M3 Motorsport be based on the FI engine, or will the race-car still get another NA engine?
It is far too early to know.

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All I can say is; I'd be more happy to see a BMW rival to R8 then M1. I will still buy M1 when it is out but bmw not responding to audi in this way is just very sad. Sometimes you don't make money, but build some prestige... For ex: nissan GTR. 2cents
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