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01-30-2011, 08:39 PM | #45 |
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I've been digging around into flashing lately, its so much more preferable over JB3's hard-wire rigging. I don't doubt the quality of ESS from anything I've read, but the Cobb unit also seems like a pretty strong contender, aside from some (understandable) initial roll out hiccups.
So I'm betting they're both quality products. So then the question of cost becomes much more relevant. First off, I'm not trying to belittle or promote either unit. I am, however, considering dropping almost a grand here and I'd like to make an informed decision. If I understood it correctly, the Cobb offers (or will offer) multiple stages for one price, but ESS charges $300 for additional tunes. The Cobb unit will have free updates and future stages available online, will the ESS offer something comparable? The Cobb unit can also be used to monitor various engine functions. Does the ESS? Someone correct me if any of the above points are wrong or if I'm missing something. I'll gladly take a little flaming if it means I end up spending $1000 more wisely. |
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With Cobb you have a one time fee for the Accessport which includes loaded maps. All future Maps and Support are free. With ESS you have a one time fee for their hand held unit and 1 map. Anything else you have to pay for. |
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01-31-2011, 11:15 AM | #47 | |
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Our Direct Flash for the N54 comes with stage 1 and stage 2 software for $995. This also includes the option for catless downpipes if requested. The only additional cost would be for custom maps or dealer updates. Our dealer update option gives the customer instant access to the latest tuned version of his / her BMW software if the dealer happens to update the vehicle with a new version of software. With instant file updating there is no waiting or down time for software updates to become available. This provides the customer the piece of mind that they will always have a working product regardless the version of factory software that is installed in the car. |
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Maybe I dont fully understand how your tune/loader works. Would you please clarify? |
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01-31-2011, 12:42 PM | #50 | |
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01-31-2011, 08:30 PM | #52 | |
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You can always ask the dealer not to do software updates on the car when it is in for service. |
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01-31-2011, 08:47 PM | #53 |
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Dang! thats some serious gains. Cant wait to get this on the 1M Coupe
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01-31-2011, 09:37 PM | #54 | |
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I understand what you're trying to tell me. Really, I do. The variables (dyno type/calibration/load/air temp/humidity/tire pressure/elevation/ect) will change the outcome. I got it bud. Its not that hard to grasp. That being said, dyno's are not totally useless either. If you dont realize that, then there's no reason you should be calling anyone "naive" or "ignorant". Tell me how we stand to gain NOTHING from him posting his unbiased dyno chart. You cant. |
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02-02-2011, 07:21 PM | #57 | |
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So you can stop assuming, I will tell you why I want to see his chart. Here are few reasons: How does the tune affect the torque curve? Does the tune create more power sooner? (time based chart) How long does the added torque hang around, compared to stock? These are some things his dyno chart will tell me about his tune. Now admit that you incorrectly assumed that I was looking for "absolute comparables", and then we can move on. Or just stop bumping it. |
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02-02-2011, 11:12 PM | #58 |
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This is sounding alot more like a bitchfest than an on topic thread about the flash...
I think ill stay over in the COBB thread for now |
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Roman: I have to ask one question...if I want to go back to stock do I just connect the directflash device to the car and select the stock map under 'writing' to overwrite the stage2 map?
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02-03-2011, 04:22 PM | #62 |
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I got faith in ESS that they wouldnt do it for no reason especially if it were harmful to the engine. According to their dyno the power at 7000rpm is the same as at 5000rpm for stage 2. Stock the power at the std redline is not so good as it has a more dramatic drop-off...unlike the M3
GIAC and Dinan also raise the RPM limit. EDIT: the redline raising is not applicable for DCT transmissions as I was informed by ESS - excellent service by them in answering by questions btw. Last edited by Alext; 02-12-2011 at 06:36 PM.. |
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02-12-2011, 06:28 PM | #65 |
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This may seem like a stupid question, but I am under the impression that the Cobb unit needs to be plugged in all the time when the software is in use.
I assume with the ESS DirectFlash it only needs to be plugged in when "installing" a given flash? |
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02-12-2011, 07:00 PM | #66 |
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The Direct Flash unit is only plugged into the OBD port to read / write and switch between maps, it does not stay plugged in.
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