Disactivating traction control deactivate SPORT mode?

alexmtl_135i · 08-11-2012, 11:54 AM

I noticed a funny thing the other day. I was going uphill in SPORT mode with medium pressure on the pedal (25%) and I decided to deactivate the traction control completely (long press on the DTC), and noticed my car had less power for the same pedal pressure. I repeated the test several times and noticed it was the same effect as deactivating SPORT mode.

Anyone else noticed that? I'm on N55 with DCT.

Spoolin Montego · 08-11-2012, 06:31 PM

I doubt it outputs less power. It's probably just modifying the throttle mapping slightly to where you have to press down further on the pedal alittle to get the same amount of acceleration. Where flooring it will still yield the same acceleration.

alexmtl_135i · 08-12-2012, 08:01 PM

Yes of course

. But anyways I find that weird that disactivating the traction control changes the throttle response back to normal when you are in sport mode.

n54door · 08-12-2012, 09:37 PM

I find disactivating wierd all by itself..

deactivating perhaps?

Tricki · 08-13-2012, 09:47 AM

YESSSS!!!! I have this same issue...
I have had PPK done... Have you or is it stock??? I have raised this issue with the dealer and they have no idea what's going on!! They are going to raise this with Germany and hope to have answers soon... By pressing DTC off (either half or full) it diss engaged sport mode with basically turns off the increased throttle response!!! Although when foot to floor you don't notice it, it's only when slightly pressed or up to 3/4 pressed!!! I find it annoying as I love the sport mode driving by I would love it more with DTC off!!!

alexmtl_135i · 08-13-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by n54door

I find disactivating wierd all by itself..

deactivating perhaps?

Haha oops! Sorry about that, english isn't my native language

@Tricki:

Yes, looks like we have the same behaviour. I'm not sure I have it with DTC half off though, I'll double check. I don't have the PPK, but I like the sports mode as well and yeah it's a bit annoying.

BimmerE82 · 08-13-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by n54door

I find disactivating wierd all by itself..

deactivating perhaps?

My135 · 08-13-2012, 10:12 AM

I always completely switch off the DTC and found the throttle response to be better.

GeeRam · 08-13-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by My135

I always completely switch off the DTC and found the throttle response to be better.

You don't have DCT

n54door · 08-13-2012, 02:40 PM

damn this thread is full of type-o's and i'm hear to call them out (yes, it should be here not hear)!

He said DTC - ie. Traction Control.

We know you have DCT and he doesn't, no need to brag.

Gnip Gnop · 08-13-2012, 02:52 PM

I notice this as well...I made a thread about it a while back.

I think it does not cut power, just makes the throttle a lot less sensitive. Still frustrating though.
Even when I'm in DTC it does the same thing. But I know there is no loss of power because it still screams, especially in launch control

gwhiz · 08-13-2012, 03:42 PM

I also noticed this "problem" after Tricki brought it to my attention. I tested it out on the freeway as he suggested and did find that you feel the "kick down" when you short or long press the DTC button while in sport mode. However, at slower speeds I don't notice the lack of throttle response but did note that sport mode will still hold each gear longer like it's supposed to.

Tricki · 08-13-2012, 06:09 PM

Are u guys noticing this with a Stock N55 or is it once PPK was installed? I blamed the PPK, would be helpful to know.

alexmtl_135i · 08-13-2012, 07:51 PM

I don't have the PPK installed. I'm all stock except performance exhaust.

yaymitch · 08-13-2012, 08:03 PM

...just tried this out and no issues here.

NORAGRETS · 08-15-2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricki

YESSSS!!!! I have this same issue...
I have had PPK done... Have you or is it stock??? I have raised this issue with the dealer and they have no idea what's going on!! They are going to raise this with Germany and hope to have answers soon... By pressing DTC off (either half or full) it diss engaged sport mode with basically turns off the increased throttle response!!! Although when foot to floor you don't notice it, it's only when slightly pressed or up to 3/4 pressed!!! I find it annoying as I love the sport mode driving by I would love it more with DTC off!!!

I have a 2012 N55 6MT and find that my throttle with DTC deactivated/fully deactivated is identical if not MORE throttle-responsive...maybe just an issue with the DCT cars?

The cars computers are always going to have a little say in performance regardless of DTC off or on...perhaps look into a tune that remaps the throttle response?

(I have a PPK as well)

alexmtl_135i · 08-17-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Twhill19

I have a 2012 N55 6MT and find that my throttle with DTC deactivated/fully deactivated is identical if not MORE throttle-responsive...maybe just an issue with the DCT cars?

The cars computers are always going to have a little say in performance regardless of DTC off or on...perhaps look into a tune that remaps the throttle response?

(I have a PPK as well)

This is weird. I tried just DTC and the behavior is indeed the same (as Tricki said).

It's not a big deal, but it's annoying to think that the sport mode is cancelled when you precisely feel in a sport mode: when you turn traction control off.

It could be specific to DCT transmission indeed.

Skilld1 · 10-30-2012, 09:43 PM

Just a theory, but maybe BMW took away the sport throttle while dsc is off to reduce the likelyhood of wheel spin...ie another safety measure. All the power is still available and is more modulate-able than in sport mode.

Knightley · 10-10-2015, 12:34 PM

hi , i have the same problem but only recent ,i have n55 DCT and PPK stage 1 only ecu remap from bmw , did anyone find out why this was happening or is it normal if so its weird to be normal ??

Tricki · 10-10-2015, 08:44 PM

I sold my 2011 black 135 which had this issue... I purchased a 2013 135i and the problem in this post doesn't exist with this car.. Weirded huh?? The way it should be

Knightley · 10-15-2015, 08:35 PM

but what I'm asking is if anyone found out if this was a problem or normal ?

Tricki · 10-15-2015, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightley

but what I'm asking is if anyone found out if this was a problem or normal ?

I would say it's a problem

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Spoolin Montego Captain 601 Rep 871 Posts Drives: 16 m3/20 x5m/23 m3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Orange County iTrader: (1)	I doubt it outputs less power. It's probably just modifying the throttle mapping slightly to where you have to press down further on the pedal alittle to get the same amount of acceleration. Where flooring it will still yield the same acceleration.
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alexmtl_135i First Lieutenant 31 Rep 371 Posts Drives: 2013 C63 Coupe P31 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada iTrader: (0)	Yes of course . But anyways I find that weird that disactivating the traction control changes the throttle response back to normal when you are in sport mode.
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n54door Banned 87 Rep 808 Posts Drives: 09' 135i 6AT FBO - MHD Tuned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: DFW iTrader: (5)	I find disactivating wierd all by itself.. deactivating perhaps?
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Tricki Lieutenant 215 Rep 472 Posts Drives: BMW M2 Comp Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Melbourne Australia iTrader: (0)	YESSSS!!!! I have this same issue... I have had PPK done... Have you or is it stock??? I have raised this issue with the dealer and they have no idea what's going on!! They are going to raise this with Germany and hope to have answers soon... By pressing DTC off (either half or full) it diss engaged sport mode with basically turns off the increased throttle response!!! Although when foot to floor you don't notice it, it's only when slightly pressed or up to 3/4 pressed!!! I find it annoying as I love the sport mode driving by I would love it more with DTC off!!!
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n54door Banned 87 Rep 808 Posts Drives: 09' 135i 6AT FBO - MHD Tuned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: DFW iTrader: (5)	damn this thread is full of type-o's and i'm hear to call them out (yes, it should be here not hear)! He said DTC - ie. Traction Control. We know you have DCT and he doesn't, no need to brag.
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Gnip Gnop Lieutenant 43 Rep 440 Posts Drives: 2002 BMW Z3 Coupe Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Woodbury, MN iTrader: (0)	I notice this as well...I made a thread about it a while back. I think it does not cut power, just makes the throttle a lot less sensitive. Still frustrating though. Even when I'm in DTC it does the same thing. But I know there is no loss of power because it still screams, especially in launch control __________________
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gwhiz Private 4 Rep 83 Posts Drives: 2012 135i Convertible/M Sport Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Arizona iTrader: (0)	I also noticed this "problem" after Tricki brought it to my attention. I tested it out on the freeway as he suggested and did find that you feel the "kick down" when you short or long press the DTC button while in sport mode. However, at slower speeds I don't notice the lack of throttle response but did note that sport mode will still hold each gear longer like it's supposed to. __________________ Jet Black 2012 BMW 135i E88 / M Sport Package / DCT / BMW PPK Stage 1 / Scopione Front Splitters and Rear Diffuser
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Tricki Lieutenant 215 Rep 472 Posts Drives: BMW M2 Comp Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Melbourne Australia iTrader: (0)	Are u guys noticing this with a Stock N55 or is it once PPK was installed? I blamed the PPK, would be helpful to know.
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alexmtl_135i First Lieutenant 31 Rep 371 Posts Drives: 2013 C63 Coupe P31 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada iTrader: (0)	I don't have the PPK installed. I'm all stock except performance exhaust.
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Knightley Enlisted Member 5 Rep 32 Posts Drives: 2011 335i N55 e92 coupe Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: austria iTrader: (0)	hi , i have the same problem but only recent ,i have n55 DCT and PPK stage 1 only ecu remap from bmw , did anyone find out why this was happening or is it normal if so its weird to be normal ??
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Tricki Lieutenant 215 Rep 472 Posts Drives: BMW M2 Comp Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Melbourne Australia iTrader: (0)	I sold my 2011 black 135 which had this issue... I purchased a 2013 135i and the problem in this post doesn't exist with this car.. Weirded huh?? The way it should be
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