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View Poll Results: How much would you contribute to get a US 1M History Report | |||
Up to $50 | 2 | 15.38% | |
Up to $20 | 2 | 15.38% | |
Up to $10 | 0 | 0% | |
Don't you have anything better to do? | 9 | 69.23% | |
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02-24-2018, 01:33 PM | #1 |
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How much would you donate to get history on all US 1Ms?
So I had a crazy idea after doing the options spreadsheet. What if I could pull the VIN histories of the 740 cars in the US and provide a sheet with stats like # of clean titles, average mileage, # of owners, open recalls, etc.
This is all seems doable except the cost is a bit more than I'm willing to foot. The cheapest way I have found is through Autocheck. They let you order 300 VIN histories for $100, meaning I need $300 to do this. You know how this stuff goes, so I really need you to be honest about paying up if you vote that way. What I can offer is that people who contribute would get the full VIN report for their car. That alone would cost $25, so contributing at the $20 level would save you $5 if you wanted a report anyway. And of course if someone has a dealer contact who could run these without additional costs, I'm all ears. I've talked to more than one of my contacts and it seems everyone still pays by volume, or won't admit they have unlimited access. |
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And for consideration of the Canada crew, tack on another $100 to the project cost to get those additional cars loaded. It seems like Autocheck provides info on Canadian cars, but I won't know for sure until I try it.
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02-24-2018, 05:51 PM | #6 |
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Most of us could probably supply you with the information on our own cars for free. Some of us (myself included) have Carfax's or Autocheck reports we obtained when buying the car 2nd hand or possibly obtained when we bought a package of reports while looking for another car.
No one should trust this sort of data from your spreadsheet when it comes to buying a used 1M later anyway, so if someone here lied, I don't think it would effect anything other than our "fun stats." I would put the caveat on the spreadsheet that the data, or some of the data, was user supplied and could not be verified. Carfax and Autocheck reports are certainly worth obtaining when buying a used car, but I would not rely on them 100% for proving that a car has a clear title or that it was never wrecked. Some of the service reported is also misleading. I took a car in some time ago for PDR of a small ding, and that visit got reported as though it were scheduled maintenance on the Carfax.
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The result can be huge gaps in the data and you could buy a report on a car and literally have no entries for the last several years. I just looked at the last Carfax I had generated on my 1M, which was in June of 2017. The last entry is dated 7/13/2015, almost exactly 2 years prior to the date of the report. In the interim, the car has been serviced several times, and the registration renewed, but there is no record of any of this. Garbage in, garbage out, as in the old saying.
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02-24-2018, 09:53 PM | #8 |
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All valid points, and this wouldn't be an attempt at a source of truth. Clearly it becomes stale data as soon if not before it is even posted. It would be statistical trivia for the 7th anniversary of the 1M. And maybe it would be better to just list summary stats and skip a detailed spreadsheet. I really just wanted to see if there was enough interest to share the cost to try this.
Obviously there are inaccuracies on Autocheck reports, but I would argue that the statistics from this method would be better than extrapolating the responses from a small group of owners on this forum. I doubt we'd get more than 50 responses if I asked for the data that way. So that is why option 4 exists on the poll. We can move on waiting for the next thread asking what your current mileage is, or how many 1Ms have been totaled, somehow thinking more than 50 people will respond. Or I can tell you what NMVTIS and Autocheck says about all of the cars today. |
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02-24-2018, 11:48 PM | #9 | |
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As someone who has actually purchased 8 (at last count) used or vintage cars in the last several years, I can tell you that only 1 of them (actually, my 1M prior to my purchase) had an approximately correct Carfax, and it came out of Canada, where I am thinking that they may have higher legal standards for this sort of data than we have in the USA. In the mix was a totally rusted out Z3 Coupe sold to me as a pristine car, whose Carfax gave no clue that the vehicle was in horrid condition and worth essentially zero. I filed a lawsuit over that car's misrepresentations. The car went back, cross country, to the seller in the end. None of this will show up on a Carfax or Autocheck report; the car, sold private party, was never registered by me, and I spend many months in trying to force the lying seller to take the rusted out hulk back. If the data source that you want to consult was even vaguely accurate, I would be four square in favor with what you want to do. In fact, the data is extremely misleading, and any conclusions you draw from it will be highly suspect. I can understand your reluctance to take the data that you can collect from forum members here, and perhaps on other forums if they exist. I do think, that as limited a sample as you might get here, will be more accurate when extrapolated than what you will get from compiling unverified and unverifiable data obtained from this public source. The 1M is a very limited production enthusiast car. I would suggest that almost no one owns one who is very dissimilar to the people posting on this forum. I would also suggest that there are tons of lurkers here, as in any other forum. You may be surprised with the number of responses that you get.
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From the Carfax website, carfax checks for Title information, including salvaged or junked titles Flood damage history Total loss accident history Odometer readings Lemon history Number of owners Accident indicators, such as airbag deployments State emissions inspection results and Service records and Vehicle use (taxi, rental, lease, etc.) So it sounds like your beef was with the seller... and to add to this thread, I think it would be great to know how many 1Ms are still on the road! (i.e. not ever totaled) and yes, I know both of those services are not 100% accurate, but they are better than polling this group.
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In any event, the car was a rolling (slightly) garbage heap. If some would like to count a car like this as "running and on the roads" and in good condition overall as implied by its Carfax, then I guess that Carfax data is worth more than i personally think it is. I would not mind finding out what the current status of the "rolling stock" of 1Ms is, however I would not personally consider what you could divine from a bunch of Carfax or Autocheck reports to be worth all that much. If the data is dated and unreliable in the case of a given car, then I don't think that an amalgamation of such data is all that useful, either. Just my opinion.
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I agree with champignon's statement about carfax and autocheck. It is far from the end all be all and in fact many things are easily missed be it intentionally or not by the seller. Buyer beware.
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Once again, they guarantee that the car will not have one of the issues they cover and if it does, they will make it right. I'm still at a loss as to how he (or she) thinks that they even comment on the condition of the car. Look to Mannheim if you want that info. Quote:
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As to the "guarantee" from Carfax or Autocheck, I would suggest that it is worth about as much as the ebay guarantee is worth on cars sold through that platform. I once thought I might have to file a claim on that (ebay) guarantee, and found out quickly that the guarantee terms are so full of holes that they make Swiss Cheese look solid :-)
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