PSS or Toyo R88?

[Shooto82]

which should i go for?
the car is not my DD. im looking for grip. i track my car once or twice a year. noise factor is also to be consider.

[Grey Dove]

PSC2's are very good actually.

[The Wind Breezes]

Bridgestone RE-71, has really good performance on the street and under duress.

[MDORPHN]

Toyo R888s are pretty noisy. Michelin Pilot Super Sport are a terrific all-around tire and wear well. Bridgestone RE71R is fastest non DOT-R tire currently available.

Neil

[ilikebmxbikes]

R888 are great but super noisy. I love them on my track car which is hard mounted and full exhaust which drowns out the tire noise but on my primarily street driven e92 the noise of the tires became a little much. I switched to Toyo T1-sports on the e92 and am very happy. From your description of use, you would probably be better off with the PSS if you are only tracking 1-2 times a year.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Shooto82

which should i go for?
the car is not my DD. im looking for grip. i track my car once or twice a year. noise factor is also to be consider.

Originally Posted by schlümpfy

PSC2's are very good actually.

Having used all three of these tyres I would say
PSS-ok as a road tyre, overheats and disintegrates on track.
R888-good on track, good road manners and sticky from cold, but really noisy.
PSC2-Quiet on the road. Not much grip when cold, but sticky when hot (not quite R888 level). Good option for a road tyre that will see the track.
AD08R- another option for a road tyre that is good on track. Not as sticky as PSC2 but cheaper and will last longer.

[ayao]

Might also need to factor in wet traction although I get the feeling it doesn't rain much in Bahrain.

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Having used all three of these tyres I would say
PSS-ok as a road tyre, overheats and disintegrates on track.
R888-good on track, good road manners and sticky from cold, but really noisy.
PSC2-Quiet on the road. Not much grip when cold, but sticky when hot (not quite R888 level). Good option for a road tyre that will see the track.
AD08R- another option for a road tyre that is good on track. Not as sticky as PSC2 but cheaper and will last longer.

I have a lot of time on track with the PSS and that has not been my experience driving them in 25 minute sessions in a 500+ rwhp 1M. The PSS has also been the most popular tire for the past two years in the One Lap of America competition.

Neil

[Shooto82]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

I have a lot of time on track with the PSS and that has not been my experience driving them in 25 minute sessions in a 500+ rwhp 1M. The PSS has also been the most popular tire for the past two years in the One Lap of America competition.

Neil

my car is lowered, will PSS F:255/35/19 & R:275/35/19 will rub? thinking to stick with stock size and avoid any risk of rubbing

[Tinsta]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

I have a lot of time on track with the PSS and that has not been my experience driving them in 25 minute sessions in a 500+ rwhp 1M. The PSS has also been the most popular tire for the past two years in the One Lap of America competition.

Neil

I have found that PSS are very pressure sensitive to get maximum grip on track once heated. They are awesome in the wet and on road manners are great.
Am very impressed with the AD08Rs ontrack, stiffer sidewall makes a difference and pressures tend to rise slower than PSSs, harsher ride on the road though.

Not tried PSC2s which hopefully bridges the gap

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by MDORPHN

I have a lot of time on track with the PSS and that has not been my experience driving them in 25 minute sessions in a 500+ rwhp 1M. The PSS has also been the most popular tire for the past two years in the One Lap of America competition.

Neil

Maybe I was trying too hard but mine started to have chunks torn out after 5 laps.
It was when I first started going to the track so it is very likely.

[TXmtrhed]

Originally Posted by Shooto82

my car is lowered, will PSS F:255/35/19 & R:275/35/19 will rub? thinking to stick with stock size and avoid any risk of rubbing

That's the size I and several others are running. Car is lowered, not slammed, no problems with rub.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Maybe I was trying too hard but mine started to have chunks torn out after 5 laps.
It was when I first started going to the track so it is very likely.

If this happened during your first foray into lapping, probably just over driving the tires.

[1&done]

R888s are amazing on the track but loud so they might be out. I prefer the PS2s over the PSSs. If you want dual purpose I would go w/ PC2s. GL

[3002 tii]

You'll prematurely heat cycle out driving R888's everyday. Not to mention you won't get the full benefit of the R888's since it'll be hard to get them to optimal temps on normal driving. Stick with a street tire for the street.

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by Shooto82

which should i go for?
the car is not my DD. im looking for grip. i track my car once or twice a year. noise factor is also to be consider.

Yokahama AD08R. Quite on the road, reasonable ride, better wet grip than PSS, and faster track time. As a track tyre it handles 10-15 laps without over heating.

Originally Posted by Nugget

Having used all three of these tyres I would say
PSS-ok as a road tyre, overheats and disintegrates on track.
R888-good on track, good road manners and sticky from cold, but really noisy.
PSC2-Quiet on the road. Not much grip when cold, but sticky when hot (not quite R888 level). Good option for a road tyre that will see the track.
AD08R- another option for a road tyre that is good on track. Not as sticky as PSC2 but cheaper and will last longer.

Agreed with PSS and AD08R.

Originally Posted by 3002 tii

You'll prematurely heat cycle out driving R888's everyday. Not to mention you won't get the full benefit of the R888's since it'll be hard to get them to optimal temps on normal driving. Stick with a street tire for the street.

You don't heat cycle the tyres unless you go crazy on the road. Normal road driving doesn't heat up the tyres enough, nor it even warms up the tyres. I had Pirelli Trofeo Rs and that was my concerned, but after driving 10k on the road between track days, and measuring the tyre temp after extensive road driving or even mountain roads, it doesn't heat up enough.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by sparoz

Yokahama AD08R. Quite on the road, reasonable ride, better wet grip than PSS, and faster track time. As a track tyre it handles 10-15 laps without over heating.



Agreed with PSS and AD08R.



You don't heat cycle the tyres unless you go crazy on the road. Normal road driving doesn't heat up the tyres enough, nor it even warms up the tyres. I had Pirelli Trofeo Rs and that was my concerned, but after driving 10k on the road between track days, and measuring the tyre temp after extensive road driving or even mountain roads, it doesn't heat up enough.

How were the Trofeo Rs?
So you actually used them on the road, not just to and from the track?

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by Nugget

How were the Trofeo Rs?
So you actually used them on the road, not just to and from the track?

Very fast on track - I even set a PB whilst one tyre has a ripped side wall (long story). Setting the pressure was a bit fiddly on track days - but if you manage the temperature well with 5-6 laps sessions - it doesn't heat cycle .

On road it is more quiet than the PSS and the ride is comparable. It is very slippery in the wet though, it rubs even in stock size at 3/4 lock, and it picks up every single bit of debris on the road which is quite annoying. Also, it is no good for winter (even Australian ones) as it becomes brittle around 5 degree. However, even on a cold day, performance wise, it is better than any road tyre. It doesn't need high temp for grip as it is temperature dependent.

The AD08R is much easier to live with.

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by Shooto82

which should i go for?
the car is not my DD. im looking for grip. i track my car once or twice a year. noise factor is also to be consider.

PSS.

[CarJunkie]

No one has mentioned the RE-11. I have tracked them twice in addition to about 5-6 autocrosses and 12k miles. They are coming to the end of their life.

They are predictable at autocross, seem to reach full grip on second run (I wish I could reach full skills on second run, LOL!) but are obviously nowhere near as fast as the new RE71R's.

They perform well on the street and noise is acceptable to me.

They handled the track very well, and were driven very hard there. Fronts show excess wear on the outside as expected, but they did not chunk off, blister or cup at all.

As for fitment, they are wider than the stock Michelin's even though I got them in stock sizes. Mine rubbed on the fender liners at full lock, so I got the fender liners replaced with the new ones, problem solved.

In looking at potential new tires to replace them, I have looked at everything mentioned in the top of this thread with the exception of the AD08's with are just plain fugly. I keep returning to the RE-11 as the best all around tire for me for daily use spring through fall, minimal rain where I live, a couple track days and a couple autocrosses per year.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

No one has mentioned the RE-11. I have tracked them twice in addition to about 5-6 autocrosses and 12k miles. They are coming to the end of their life.

They are predictable at autocross, seem to reach full grip on second run (I wish I could reach full skills on second run, LOL!) but are obviously nowhere near as fast as the new RE71R's.

They perform well on the street and noise is acceptable to me.

They handled the track very well, and were driven very hard there. Fronts show excess wear on the outside as expected, but they did not chunk off, blister or cup at all.

As for fitment, they are wider than the stock Michelin's even though I got them in stock sizes. Mine rubbed on the fender liners at full lock, so I got the fender liners replaced with the new ones, problem solved.

In looking at potential new tires to replace them, I have looked at everything mentioned in the top of this thread with the exception of the AD08's with are just plain fugly. I keep returning to the RE-11 as the best all around tire for me for daily use spring through fall, minimal rain where I live, a couple track days and a couple autocrosses per year.

LOL.. Agree on the AD08 tread pattern.. it's garish for sure.. but there at least is some function for the form.. they are excellent on track..but they can be noisy also.