US 1M Product Bulletin Indicates Limited Production and Other Ordering Info

positiveions · 12-16-2010, 12:58 PM

so limited production=premium pricing on top of MSRP

M2audioman · 12-16-2010, 01:17 PM

I really don't think they will sell more than 1000 of these per year in the US. It's a great car and I will be buying one, but this is a very enthusiast focused car. Few color choices, few options, small package with tons of power. A lot of people will still buy 135's and 335's for similar prices if not less since they are more practical cars and offer more "luxury" features that many BMW buyers want.

Then, you will have the crowd that says 50K for a 1 series makes no sense when you can buy a slightly used CPO E92 M3 for the same price or less. Those factors will limit the 1M's appeal to consumers imo. If I wasn't planning on leasing this car, I would be buying a CPO M3 also. However, I think the 1M Coupe is the perfect car to lease.

Gee-klaw · 12-16-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 335audioman

I really don't think they will sell more than 1000 of these per year in the US. It's a great car and I will be buying one, but this is a very enthusiast focused car. Few color choices, few options, small package with tons of power. A lot of people will still buy 135's and 335's for similar prices if not less since they are more practical cars and offer more "luxury" features that many BMW buyers want.

Then, you will have the crowd that says 50K for a 1 series makes no sense when you can buy a slightly used CPO E92 M3 for the same price or less. Those factors will limit the 1M's appeal to consumers imo. If I wasn't planning on leasing this car, I would be buying a CPO M3 also. However, I think the 1M Coupe is the perfect car to lease.

I fully accept your logic.
One factor for me, is the fuel efficiency. My Z4MC manages a real world 19-22mpg which is costing me too much. The M3 realistically manages 15mpg and the M1 probably about 25mpg. That is a big difference.

KingOfJericho · 12-16-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eatrach73

so limited production=premium pricing on top of MSRP

Find a better dealer. My dealer never charges a premium over MSRP, no matter the vehicle or demand. It's not like there was a 2 year waiting list for the 135 when they first came out (M3 had 2yrs+ at many dealers). Most people still have no clue what the 1 series is. Anyone who wants this car will be able to get it. Hell, my Exige was one of only 300 in the entire country and my dealer had 5 of them sitting on the lot for me to pick from and that was after months of these same arguments on the Lotus forum.

Robert · 12-16-2010, 02:01 PM

As long the revenue justifies the expense of operating 2 production line, one for E82 and other for new 1 series platform, BMW will continue to crank out 1M. It's a business decision, simple as that.

M2audioman · 12-16-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gee-klaw

I fully accept your logic.
One factor for me, is the fuel efficiency. My Z4MC manages a real world 19-22mpg which is costing me too much. The M3 realistically manages 15mpg and the M1 probably about 25mpg. That is a big difference.

I get about 18-19mpg in my Z4M Coupe and have about 60K miles on it. You are right though...the M3 will get you 15-16mpg. The 1M Coupe should get you 20-22mpg on average though. 25mpg would be very optimistic...

KingOfJericho · 12-16-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 335audioman

I get about 18-19mpg in my Z4M Coupe and have about 60K miles on it. You are right though...the M3 will get you 15-16mpg. The 1M Coupe should get you 20-22mpg on average though. 25mpg would be very optimistic...

My 135i gets 18.3mpg.

M3 Adjuster · 12-16-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MDORPHN

I'm under impression that dealers will be available to place orders on December 20th, but that options for the ordered cars can be specified a bit later.

Neil

At Leipzig we were advised that the buyer can change the options on a purchase up until SIX days before vehicle production begins.

M2audioman · 12-16-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

My 135i gets 18.3mpg.

You must drive it pretty hard!

I've seen most members about above 20mpg on the N54. My best friend has a 335i Coupe on which he gets 21mpg consistently.

M3 Adjuster · 12-16-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

As long the revenue justifies the expense of operating 2 production line, one for E82 and other for new 1 series platform, BMW will continue to crank out 1M. It's a business decision, simple as that.

Except for the fact that there is a SINGLE production line in Leipzig. 1 series coupes, convertibles, hatchbacks, and the X1 SAV , in both LEFT and RIGHT hand drive configuration are made on the same production line.

There is a second line, but it's dedicated to making (IIRC) models for the BMW protection lineup.

So indeed, the 1M will have a LIMITED production cycle. While the # of cars to be produced in this cycle is NOT limited, the production cycle is coming to an end, as the next 1 series production is going to begin in 2012.
It has been indicated that the 1M will only be made for a single model year (2012) with production beginning in March 2011 and then continuing through 2012, at which point midway thru the year the line will be changed to create the next (F-20) 1 series models.

Frosty · 12-16-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 335audioman

You must drive it pretty hard!

I've seen most members about above 20mpg on the N54. My best friend has a 335i Coupe on which he gets 21mpg consistently.

I have a 335i with N54, 106K miles, (as in sig) and I still average 22mpg with hard driving (if you believe the mileage readings on dash) ~Frost

Papethova · 12-16-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

I have a 335i with N54, 106K miles, (as in sig) and I still average 22mpg with hard driving (if you believe the mileage readings on dash) ~Frost

hard driving, almost no highway, 21.7mpg on the dash for 23k miles

David1 · 12-16-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eatrach73

so limited production=premium pricing on top of MSRP

You should not even pay sticker. I can already get a discount as long as I do not want the first one. Fully loaded down to sat radio, premium, nav, etc should be about 54K. I am still waiting to see if the sunroof becomes available since there is no convertible or CF roof.

KingOfJericho · 12-16-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 335audioman

You must drive it pretty hard!

I've seen most members about above 20mpg on the N54. My best friend has a 335i Coupe on which he gets 21mpg consistently.

95% of my driving is a 7mi slow commute where the car doesn't even have time to warm up.

Yogijet · 12-16-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 335audioman

Just a hunch...but i think that by limited production, they are referring to the length of time, not the number of units. They probably expect to sell 1000 units in the US during that time period, but my guess is they will build more if there is demand. Again, just my opinion.

Sounds logical especially if it is in fact true that it would be customer order only.

Robert · 12-16-2010, 04:05 PM

You guys drive pretty hard. My new car, a 3.5L NA v6, gets 23 mpg avg and I don't baby it.

GrFa · 12-16-2010, 04:32 PM

Does anyone else think there will be huge customer demand for more exterior colors and a sunroof? I understand the weight savings, exclusivity, and production streamlining advantages, but I see many potential customers and M fans turned away.

I don't see the orange interior (and exterior) treatment being to most people's tastes.

AntonV · 12-16-2010, 04:36 PM

black interior is the definitive deal breaker for me. i dont do black leather. what a shame.

Valencia on Tan....If it had more class, it'd be a school.

technik330 · 12-16-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GrFa

Does anyone else think there will be huge customer demand for more exterior colors and a sunroof? I understand the weight savings, exclusivity, and production streamlining advantages, but I see many potential customers and M fans turned away.

I don't see the orange interior (and exterior) treatment being to most people's tastes.

I'm confident, ///M fans (majority speaking), wouldn't care if there was a sunroof, or not.

The current M3 sells like a Honda Civic and I've yet to see one, in person, with a sunroof, ever.

The color limitation I can see, but the sunroof, no way - especially if you're a ///M fan/fanatic.

M2audioman · 12-16-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AntonV

black interior is the definitive deal breaker for me. i dont do black leather. what a shame.

Valencia on Tan....If it had more class, it'd be a school.

This car isn't really about class though...it's about pure performance. Not sure how others feel, but I definitely don't associate tan interiors with sports cars. I think of luxury cars.

Now, a red interior..or a few two tone options would have worked, but the black seats are simple and work with all the available color combinations, which is the point since BMW is trying to make this car cost effective from both a consumer and production standpoint by limiting options.

If the color options are a deal breaker for anybody, then this is the wrong car for them. I mean, BMW is offering the car in 2 very standard colors...and one "wilder" color. It's not like they are offering it in pink, purple, and neon green. The car is about the driving enjoyment. It is not meant to envelop the owner in luxury or provide them with a bunch of pretty sparkles in it's paint job. If that is what you want, then you have many other BMW vehicle choices.

M2audioman · 12-16-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GrFa

Does anyone else think there will be huge customer demand for more exterior colors and a sunroof? I understand the weight savings, exclusivity, and production streamlining advantages, but I see many potential customers and M fans turned away.

I don't see the orange interior (and exterior) treatment being to most people's tastes.

I don't think any true M fan will be turned away because of lack of color options or a sunroof. Neither of those things has to do with the driving dynamics of the car, so i can't see how that could influence true M fans...

Now, the lack of a "unique" M engine in the car might turn M fans off, which is totally understandable.

StealYourFace · 12-16-2010, 05:18 PM

Cost savings seems like a lame excuse not to do more colors. I can't imagine another 500 bucks on the sticker would keep somebody from being a buyer.

Silver, or one of the many great blues in the BMW familly would be so great.

Otherwise I can't bitch about this car and would take a white one in a heart beat.

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