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[SCOTT26]

The Most important thing is overlooked .
It will be an M car.... not an over basterdized 135i.

[M3Power79]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The Most important thing is overlooked .
It will be an M car.... not an over basterdized 135i.

+100 , M die wichtigste Buchstabe der Welt

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The Most important thing is overlooked .
It will be an M car.... not an over basterdized 135i.

Added to my sig. This is something that needs to be pointed out over and over again unfortunately.

[Groundpilot]

Originally Posted by formula M

The focus of the 1M is handling. Thus, the 80mm wider stance and fatter tires (245f/265r). This alone will have a dramatic effect with the 1 series platform.... & what M engineer, wouldn't love a fatter stance & greater balance? Some juicy stuff for them to get their suspension tunning finger into.

The 1M has a natural suspension & is suppose to be more old school & tossable.


Secondly, the it is also said that the 1M shares the same floor pan as the M3. So, the 1M is physically different from the other 1 series... (ie: engineered with a greater purpose). Nobody is arguing that you can't uber modify, or min/max your way into an incredible 135i, with exceptional handling, etc. Plus, nobody is stopping anyone from modifying their 135i's over the last 4 years... right?

Show us an uber-handling one, .. uno?



Yes, u can modify, but in the end..^, you'll have an unbalanced, cross engineered 135i, with stats that are incredble, but unable to change the feel, or purpose of the car.

Understand, there is alot to be said for the intangibles. Go drive an E30 M3... (the poster child for the 1M).. then you'll know what many mean by feedback and input. Again, nobody is saying the 1M will be raw, but only more oldshool (in that direction), & more so than the M3.

The point of my post was that 135i with suspension modifications will outhandle stock 1m coupe for less money. Weels with proper offset fit 245/265 r-comp. tires on 135i. I know, because i have it. And my car is lowered by 1 inch. There is nothing unbalanced about it and the car feels great , very tossable on the track. Also, you cant compare E30 to modern cars simply because of the weight difference and technology advavcements.

[Evice]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The Most important thing is overlooked .
It will be an M car.... not an over basterdized 135i.

I tend to disagree. M division re-purposed the same engine used in 135.. that's affecting the whole credibility.

[Drillslinger]

Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

The point of my post was that 135i with suspension modifications will outhandle stock 1m coupe for less money. Weels with proper offset fit 245/265 r-comp. tires on 135i. I know, because i have it. And my car is lowered by 1 inch. There is nothing unbalanced about it and the car feels great , very tossable on the track. Also, you cant compare E30 to modern cars simply because of the weight difference and technology advavcements.

What I'm wondering is, how much of a difference will the extra 3 inches of track width have on the 1M's handling versus a sorted 135 suspension?

[Groundpilot]

Originally Posted by Drillslinger

What I'm wondering is, how much of a difference will the extra 3 inches of track width have on the 1M's handling versus a sorted 135 suspension?

My guess is it will understeer less than stock 135i with stock camber settings.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by lacrosse

What is going on now?

Ohh nothing I just need my second brand new top ^in 4 months is all

[Evice]

Originally Posted by formula M

It doesn't... we all know that.

GTFO. It is N54 re-purposed period. You must be Pollyanna.

[Groundpilot]

What a moron this formula m guy is. Must be an undercover bmw sales rep. LOL.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

What a moron this formula m guy is. Must be an undercover bmw sales rep. LOL.

id agree with you. but the 1M should be a better starting point than a 135.

as in put 5K in a 1M and a 135 and you should be able to get better times out of the 1M.

[ptack]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

id agree with you. but the 1M should be a better starting point than a 135.

as in put 5K in a 1M and a 135 and you should be able to get better times out of the 1M.

Only because BMW's already put a couple of grand into the 135i to label it a 1M. Now if you say "take $55k and do what you can do", I suspect you will be able to get more for your money starting with the 135i. That's where the 1M may be destined to just be for badge whores.

I wish that's not the case, but BMW decided to pull its punches with this car long ago.

[SlicktopTTZ]

Originally Posted by ptack

Only because BMW's already put a couple of grand into the 135i to label it a 1M. Now if you say "take $55k and do what you can do", I suspect you will be able to get more for your money starting with the 135i. That's where the 1M may be destined to just be for badge whores.

I wish that's not the case, but BMW decided to pull its punches with this car long ago.

I want one and I can assure you that I am not a badge whore......

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by ptack

Only because BMW's already put a couple of grand into the 135i to label it a 1M. Now if you say "take $55k and do what you can do", I suspect you will be able to get more for your money starting with the 135i. That's where the 1M may be destined to just be for badge whores.

I wish that's not the case, but BMW decided to pull its punches with this car long ago.

I know. But regardless this time next year I think I might be in one.

Im tired of all the problems with the vert...I dont like the N55 and I really really like the 1er.

So hey, an N54 powered 1M really isnt that bad of a deal for me. Its a factory warranted modded 135 that I can finance...not that bad of a deal.

[ptack]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

I know. But regardless this time next year I think I might be in one.

Im tired of all the problems with the vert...I dont like the N55 and I really really like the 1er.

So hey, an N54 powered 1M really isnt that bad of a deal for me. Its a factory warranted modded 135 that I can finance...not that bad of a deal.

I did want one too until I saw how little they were investing in it, but then I also love my 135i which has been without any problems so I don't have as much of a need - yet. Maybe if year 2 of the 1M offers more and I'm past the 50k mile marker I'll think again.

[///M1]

I think part of the problem with the 1SMC is that it started backwards, not what a true M car is. Every M car out there has been historically built from scratch and from the ground up (not including the SUV ///Ms which I continue to think is a travesty). Take the recently defunct E60 M5. Everything was new about it, from its V10 F1-inspired engine, to its (albeit faulty and clunky) SMG tranny. Ditto for the current E9x M3. Nothing was borrowed from its lesser cousins (other than of course some elements of bodywork and interior).

With the 1SMC, BMW brass went about it in a totally different approach. The MBAs heading their marketing dept reconed (rightfully so) there is a need for an ///M car in the 1-series line. They were right in the decision, but wrong in the approach IMO. Given how relatively late it is in the E82s life cycle, and perhaps lack of alternatives that would compete head first with it, the discussion centered around: "How much of the existing ///M parts bin across other platforms can be use and come up with a 1-Series ///M at minimal cost?"

We will see the final figures/stats/inventory of parts once it is formally unveiled, but I recon the parts that were engineered from the ground up just for the 1SMC are less than the fingers on your left hand.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by ptack

I did want one too until I saw how little they were investing in it, but then I also love my 135i which has been without any problems so I don't have as much of a need - yet. Maybe if year 2 of the 1M offers more and I'm past the 50k mile marker I'll think again.

Well im at 48K with problems through the roof.

[ptack]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Well im at 48K with problems through the roof.

Ha ha - literally right?

[Groundpilot]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

id agree with you. but the 1M should be a better starting point than a 135.

as in put 5K in a 1M and a 135 and you should be able to get better times out of the 1M.

It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself to find justifiable reason to get 1 m coupe. Is it going to be a better car than current 135i? I have no doubt about that. But the question is, by how much. One thing is clear now that it will be a lot more expensive than the 135i. Based on the current info, it does not look impressive to me. Not enogh to pay m premium.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself to find justifiable reason to get 1 m coupe. Is it going to be a better car than current 135i? I have no doubt about that. But the question is, by how much. One thing is clear now that it will be a lot more expensive than the 135i. Based on the current info, it does not look impressive to me. Not enogh to pay m premium.

im simply giving an apples to apples comparison. How much do M3 bushings, control arms, tie rods, and sway bars cost? how about an LSD? or stiffer springs and shocks?

Now add the cost of a front and rear widebody along with tighter seats and possibly larger turbos (rumored at this point) and how much money have you spent?

Im not trying to convince myself of anything. I spent 48K on a 1er and price isnt an issue. Its a cost to benefit thing and I see the benefit to be there if the car comes in at around 50K optioned the way I want it


You are also forgetting that by the time I potentially pick up a 1MC my vert will be 3 years old and my lease will be up. Looking at a new car the 1MC is a very nice option if the price is right.

[Groundpilot]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

im simply giving an apples to apples comparison. How much do M3 bushings, control arms, tie rods, and sway bars cost? how about an LSD? or stiffer springs and shocks?

Now add the cost of a front and rear widebody along with tighter seats and possibly larger turbos (rumored at this point) and how much money have you spent?

Im not trying to convince myself of anything. I spent 48K on a 1er and price isnt an issue. Its a cost to benefit thing and I see the benefit to be there if the car comes in at around 50K optioned the way I want it


You are also forgetting that by the time I potentially pick up a 1MC my vert will be 3 years old and my lease will be up. Looking at a new car the 1MC is a very nice option if the price is right.

If price is not an issue, than why not get an M3? I own e92 m3(my daily driver) and let me tell you that no n54 or n55 comes close to v-8 high revving engine. Not even tuned. By the way, how did you spend 48 K on your vert if you are leasing it?

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

I want one and I can assure you that I am not a badge whore......

M is written all over my car. Does that make me a badge whore?