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      01-10-2011, 12:15 PM   #45
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Not sure it classifies as "special". Nothing new is introduced in 1M.
It is different car though from any thing else on the road today, good different


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Please dont have a go at me about this post, but I look at the 1M as a 'special' BMW, it's not just any old car that will be sold to the masses, and therefore it will always have a premium price - any other manufacturer would do the same.

Most people that buy this car (me being one of them) will be buying it because they know exactly what it is and how special it is.

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      01-10-2011, 12:16 PM   #46
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Another perspective.... A 335is base is $4k more than a 1M. That makes this an obvious choice for me.
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      01-10-2011, 12:17 PM   #47
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ok i agree. but what happens when you lighten up the m3, add suspension, better gearing, stickier tires?

the ring lap times do not lie. the e9x m3 does it in 8:05. the 1m does it in 8:12. if you want to talk about modified cars, then modify both, not just the 1m.

the m3 w/better flowing headers, an aftermarket suspension, r comps, better pads, and some weight reduction - essentially a m3 gts - did it in 7:48

a 1m with a chip, coilovers, r comps, better pads, weight reduction - i don't think it can shave close to 24 seconds off its lap time. i think it can surpass the e9x m3 STOCK nurburgring numbers, and get close to the sub 8 minute mark, but that still leaves 12 seconds on the table.

the e9x m3 is a better performing car than the 1m - stock for stock and modified as well. i don't see an incentive in buying a used 1m other than the looks or the title of owning a 1m, especially when its older brother is cheaper (used) and better performing and way more reliable (n54 hasn't been proven on the race track) and resourceful (2 legitimate rear seats or 2 rear doors).
The E9x shaved time because of the top end power on the straights. Guaranteed. It sure as hell didn't create that distance in the corners. No one says the 1M would beat the E9x. The argument is that it can EQUAL an E9x. And for considerably less. I don't think the modded vs modded argument holds water ie: 135M 47k + tune+speed delimiter = 48k. E9x 55k + tune+?? = 56k-57k.

Yes it really is that simple.
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      01-10-2011, 12:19 PM   #48
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It needed to start at 43 or 45k. Much more reasonable.
I totally agree!!!!!!!! Everybody out there should cancel their orders NOW!!!
That way I can get mine guaranteed......... And 20 years from now when everybody is saying " man I wish I could find one of those 1M's", all I will have to do is look in my garage and smile when I see a 2OO2, 1M, and Z4 smiling back.......
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      01-10-2011, 12:22 PM   #49
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you can't compare a stock car vs. a modified car- its truly not fair.

a bubble back 9 second honda would take down a stock 2010 viper srt 10.

how bout you send that viper srt10 to underground racing and see what happens then
I totally disagree w/ your assertion. You can't compare cars that are $10k apart stock. As far as base platforms are concerned, a 1M is not that far off from an M3 for what you get. Your comparison of a civic vs. a viper is ridiculous. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion as is everyone else.
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      01-10-2011, 12:24 PM   #50
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135i currently starts at $37,225 including Destination & Handling of $875. It is now $39,925 according to this press release, which is $2700 more.
Man, cars ARE getting expensive!
out of control, 40k for a base 135i, terrible and for what? Less options than ever before....good news is this will make my 08 vert seem like a deal when I go to sell it in the spring...:-)
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      01-10-2011, 12:27 PM   #51
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Man...we are going to get screwed up here in Canada.
My thoughts exactly. I figured a base 1M would be 54k CND, but after the pricing release and comparing USD BMWs with CND BMWs, it looks like an equipped 1M will be encroaching on 335is pricing.
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      01-10-2011, 12:28 PM   #52
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The E9x shaved time because of the top end power on the straights. Guaranteed. It sure as hell didn't create that distance in the corners. No one says the 1M would beat the E9x. The argument is that it can EQUAL an E9x. And for considerably less. I don't think the modded vs modded argument holds water ie: 135M 47k + tune+speed delimiter = 48k. E9x 55k + tune+?? = 56k-57k.

Yes it really is that simple.
i am familiar with where most cars gain time on the ring as I drove it this past summer! it was amazing.

in this situation we're talking about cars performance #s and ability. if you want to talk about daily driving, the n54 is a better car, it gets great gas mileage and has a nice deal of torque for daily driving. that is great and all, but thats not what i look for when i think of a BMW M car.

no one did say the 1M would beat the e9x. i am saying that for me, who looks at a cars performance on the ring as its true capabilities and potential for driving 10/10ths (im a track rat), the e9x used is a better buy than a new 1m (around 44k for a used m3 in the tri-state NY area). its going to be a few thousand dollars less. the insurance will be lower because it is a legitimate 2+2 coupe and its bigger. it also has a motor that was not featured on ABC (i have an 09 335 and love it, but i fear its going to break down daily). not only that, stock for stock, the m3 a better performer than the 1M (in my categories of what qualifies a car to be superior to another car).

one is a turbo motor that was BASED for daily driving and fuel efficiency (there were no homologation rules for the n54) and the other was a s-based motor that was designed specifically for the M brand - no racing rules as well - but exclusively for performance. the turbo motors can easily be modified to push more power. where as, it takes more money to get power out of the s65. so its an unfair argument to say a 1M modified will be better than a m3 modified. what does better mean?

it technically could be faster in a straight line, but overall, its not going to be a better performer on a track than an m3 modified. and track #s are what I look at to label a car as a "superior" car to another. why do I drool at supercars SO much more than regular production cars that are high end performance cars. obviously their looks, but their performance #s are so staggering, its hard not to drool.

but a m car for daily driving is like having a lingerie model as a gf that only wears sweat pants.
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      01-10-2011, 12:30 PM   #53
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I think the 1M is a very good/fair price. Most 135i's MSRP are low to mid 40s. Only a couple grand more for a base 1M seems right.
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      01-10-2011, 12:31 PM   #54
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I totally disagree w/ your assertion. You can't compare cars that are $10k apart stock. As far as base platforms are concerned, a 1M is not that far off from an M3 for what you get. Your comparison of a civic vs. a viper is ridiculous. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion as is everyone else.
well a used m3 on cars.com is 44k in my area (tri state NY/NJ/CT)

why would i buy a 1M over an e9x m3?

-limited edition
-looks
-gas mileage?
-tuning capability
-motor? - no.


what else would make me want to buy a 1M over an e9x m3?
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      01-10-2011, 12:33 PM   #55
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$47,010 - I am a little bit surprised/shocked. I was really hoping BMW would keep it at under $45K base. I guess we will have to wait fr option prices & ED.

Same here.... this makes a used E9x more attractive as a street car.... gotta agree with Pkumar there..

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      01-10-2011, 12:36 PM   #56
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Is the UK price released now then? How much?

You are right, BMW UK has just increased prices due to VAT rise. I had my car delivered on the 30th December after much kicking and screaming to avoid the VAT rise. My car was £30,600 basic from memory plus leather etc I think though BMW may have sneaked a touch of a price rise in there though on top of the VAT while they were at it.
Yup been out for a while: £39,990.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=472577

I mean the price increase is not all due to the VAT increase. Added an other £347...

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Please dont have a go at me about this post, but I look at the 1M as a 'special' BMW, it's not just any old car that will be sold to the masses, and therefore it will always have a premium price - any other manufacturer would do the same.

Most people that buy this car (me being one of them) will be buying it because they know exactly what it is and how special it is.

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      01-10-2011, 12:43 PM   #58
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That's expensive. Also surprised about the new 135 pricing, that's like 5k more than my 08 was base.
Uh, yeah. Didn't 135i's base for $34,900 before destination fee just a couple years ago? These cars were tough sells even at that price, but now they want nearly $40k base? Wow.
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      01-10-2011, 12:45 PM   #59
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This would be a deal if the 1M had the S65, just can't see it for an N54 car......but I'll withhold judgement until I drive one.

My pre-owned 2008 M3 (15k miles but loaded and immaculate shape) didn't cost much more than this a year ago.
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well a used m3 on cars.com is 44k in my area (tri state NY/NJ/CT)

why would i buy a 1M over an e9x m3?

-limited edition
-looks
-gas mileage?
-tuning capability
-motor? - no.


what else would make me want to buy a 1M over an e9x m3?

I would assume that's a 2008 non CPO car...warranty expires in 2012. So the main difference is the warranty. With the higher base price, i'm back to where i was before...considering the used M3 vs a stripper 1M.
Everyone knows them S motors are expensive!
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Keeping my Z4 M Coupe is now making more sense.
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i am saying that for me, who looks at a cars performance on the ring as its true capabilities and potential for driving 10/10ths (im a track rat), the e9x used is a better buy than a new 1m (around 44k for a used m3 in the tri-state NY area).
Agreed.

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not only that, stock for stock, the m3 a better performer than the 1M (in my categories of what qualifies a car to be superior to another car).
Agreed.

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....the turbo motors can easily be modified to push more power. where as, it takes more money to get power out of the s65. so its an unfair argument to say a 1M modified will be better than a m3 modified.
No, it's not unfair. We are talking about price vs. performance. It's more unfair to compare a new car to a used car.

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it technically could be faster in a straight line, but overall, its not going to be a better performer on a track than an m3 modified. and track #s are what I look at to label a car as a "superior" car to another.
Faster is all it would need to be. You should know this since you have been on the that track. (I have too. For five 1/2 years.)

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but a m car for daily driving is like having a lingerie model as a gf that only wears sweat pants.
Agreed. You should see my MFest video:
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lets just agree to disagree!

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These are the prices I got from BMWUSA.com for a 2011 135 (assuming that they all stay the same).

Premium - $2350; 135 ZPP, $1950, plus $400 for the Ipod

Conveince - $3100; 135 ZCP, $1000, plus $2100 for iDrive

Sat radio - $350

Heater Seats - $500

Harmon Kardon - $875

Smartphone integration - $150

Total cost for both packages - $5450...

plus all options, $7325 on top of MSRP for a fully loaded car. i.e. $54,335

Or you do the math, as your car will suit you.
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