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      09-16-2008, 04:04 PM   #1
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The TireRack Winter Product Bible

The time to prepare for winter is upon us. I'm hoping this thread becomes the one place 1addicts come for all the information they need to make an informed decision.
I'm including step by step instructions to navigate our winter product screens and all the useful tips I can think of to help you make your choice. I will be adding to this throughout the season.


Here we go:

Viewing/Ordering winter product - Step by step!

1. Click the Tire Rack "Shop Now" link at the top of the page.
2. Select your "Make" and "Year" and click "go."

3. Select your "Model" and click "go."
4. Select "Winter." (Very important)


Now you can go a number of ways:

1. Build package - from here you select a tire first then it let's you pick a wheel to combine with the tire.
2. Tires only - click one of the preferred sizes or select the "custom size" link.

*If you want to look at wheels first click "build package" then click "skip to wheels" located all the way to the right of the page immediately above the thick, red, dividing line labeled "Recommended sizes." If you select wheels from here it will immediately take you to tire selections.

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* Here is a list of wheels that will take the BMW center caps:
Sport Edition A7
Sport Edition F10
Breyton GTS-R
Elbrus I02, I04, I05, and I06
ASA AR1- see below in regards to machined lip
ASA AR2- see below in regards to machined face

* Some of you may wonder why some of our wheels are not listed as working for winter. This mostly happens due to the finish on that wheel. Machined lips or faces on wheels don't hold up as well when exposed to salt, etc....You should choose these only if you are willing to put the extra work into keeping the elements off them. Be cautious.

* Everyone asks me, "Gill, what's the best winter tire?" Well, here you go. The Michelin Xi2 and the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-70 are the best studless ice and snow tires. Testing has proven this to be fact. The Dunlop Winter Sport M3/3D and the Blizzak LM 60's are the best high speed rated winter options. They consistently outperform competitors. (Please remember, we are splitting hairs here. All the options are great but, since you asked, these are the best of the best.)

* Our "Preferred Package" for any given vehicle represents value. It's chosen because it offers a large "bang for the buck." It offers a solid choice for someone who might not want to put hours into researching for themselves. It's simply one of the many options that work for a vehicle.

* Don't procrastinate! The best priced product (wheels especially) WILL sell out first. It's been proven year after year. Full selections can rarely be expected after Oct/Nov. Things get sketchy after that.

*If you decide to place an online order with TireRack.com please do so via the "shop now" link at the top of the page. Doing so directly supports 1addicts.com. Referencing my name ("Gill") on your online orders also ensures the personal service you deserve - and rewards me for helping to make this the best possible experience for you.

*If you prefer phone to online shopping, call me! 877-522-8473 x620 is my direct line.
I will be handling a very high volume of calls during the months of October, November and December but I hope, and expect, that you will call me directly for any business you have with the Tire Rack. I love talking about our cars and it is a lot easier to help you via phone during this time of the year. When you call you may get my voice mail. Leave me a message mentioning you are from "1addicts.com" and you will be my next call back. I will not know you called if you don't leave a message! Phone conversations will yield much faster results at this time of the year.

* I will be keeping an eye on the board and PM's during this time. If you have questions specifically for me, please address them to me in the title of the post. I will be short on free time to dig through posts looking for someone who might need something.

* The answers to literally 100's of questions will eventually be contained within this thread. Please take the time to scour it. I'm sure many will find their questions already having answers within.
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      09-16-2008, 04:35 PM   #2
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What will you be running on your car?
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      09-16-2008, 04:41 PM   #3
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What will you be running on your car?
225/45/17 Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60
17x8" Sport Editiion KM-11
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      09-16-2008, 04:46 PM   #4
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Listen to Gill... already placed my order yesterday and i am waiting on TPMS sensors which are out of stock until the end of the month!

Can't wait to get mine 8 )
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      09-16-2008, 06:52 PM   #5
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All hail the Tire Guru - Gill


Seriously, he's one of the people who help make this a great forum.
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      09-19-2008, 12:30 PM   #6
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Winter worries

Gill,

If I put the recommended 17" wheels and winter tire package on my 135i do I need to do have a mechanic do any modifications to the car itself to make sure the speedometer etc. continue to work or can I just jack up the car and switch the wheels over myself?

Thanks,
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Directed to Gill

So if I drive on the highway to and from work, would I benefit more from the Blizzak LM22 / 25?

Is the tire monitor sensor mandatory ?
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      09-19-2008, 12:55 PM   #8
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So if I drive on the highway to and from work, would I benefit more from the Blizzak LM22 / 25?

Is the tire monitor sensor mandatory ?
Not for Canadian's as we don't use them on our cars.
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      09-19-2008, 02:05 PM   #9
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Gill,

If I put the recommended 17" wheels and winter tire package on my 135i do I need to do have a mechanic do any modifications to the car itself to make sure the speedometer etc. continue to work or can I just jack up the car and switch the wheels over myself?

Thanks,
The 17" set up will have roughly the same overall diameter as the 18". Absolutely no reason to recalibrate.

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So if I drive on the highway to and from work, would I benefit more from the Blizzak LM22 / 25?
Depends what the highway is covered with. The LM22/25 is better for well cleared roads. The studless ice and snows get better the worse the conditions get.
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      09-19-2008, 04:11 PM   #10
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So... my best bet will be the WS?

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Depends what the highway is covered with. The LM22/25 is better for well cleared roads. The studless ice and snows get better the worse the conditions get.
I do drive highway all the time but I also drive in the city as well
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We don't use them ?

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Not for Canadian's as we don't use them on our cars.
But we have it, so is it mandatory that we have to install it ? I don't know how the sensors work or what they look like.
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Volk RE30 (with modification)

What modification? I'd like to put the BMW wood center caps in there (as in wood accent)
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      09-19-2008, 04:41 PM   #13
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But we have it, so is it mandatory that we have to install it ? I don't know how the sensors work or what they look like.
We do not have TPMS sensors. See the stickies. Only the US have TPMS sensors. We have TPW which measures variations in rolling speed of the tires to determine one is low.
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      09-19-2008, 05:03 PM   #14
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Volk RE30 (with modification)

What modification? I'd like to put the BMW wood center caps in there (as in wood accent)
The tabs that hold the caps in the wheel need to be filed down at the contact point.

Tough to explain, easy to do.

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I'm another person that would like to know if TPMS is mandatory for a winter setup (on a US, not Canadian car) or whether I can save the $200.... will the TPMS system take a dump if it can't see sensors on the wheels?
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ohhhh

so it's different ?

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We do not have TPMS sensors. See the stickies. Only the US have TPMS sensors. We have TPW which measures variations in rolling speed of the tires to determine one is low.
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Yes, it is completely different.

And, for Nautilus, if you don't have TPMS I believe the warning comes on all the time but I am not certain of this.
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I'm another person that would like to know if TPMS is mandatory for a winter setup (on a US, not Canadian car) or whether I can save the $200.... will the TPMS system take a dump if it can't see sensors on the wheels?

No, it's not mandatory. Nothing happens besides the TPMS Light on the dash. It's annoying, but you'll get use to it. I gladly saved the extra $$$ and opted not to get them.
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Hmmm, I'll have to look where that light will come up - that might bug me a little too much...
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Gill,
Are there any longevity differences between the LM-25s and WS-60s? Thanks.
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Are there any longevity differences between the LM-25s and WS-60s? Thanks.
Not much if any difference. The ws-60 wears slightly faster but it also starts with slightly more tread depth. All in all they usually wear out about the same time.

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      09-22-2008, 09:13 PM   #22
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How about runflat snows?

Appreciate all the info and the recommendations. But what are my snow tire options if I want to stay in the standard 128i size, 205/50-17, in a runflat tire? Are Pirellis the only option, and how do they perform?
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