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02-10-2014, 10:31 AM | #1 |
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135i - Front M3 swaybar upgrade = TWO UNEXPECTED BENEFITS!
So I'll keep this brief, and having swapped out sway bars on other cars in the past (330i, WRX, Fox-body 5.0, etc) yes the car is "tighter" and has "crisper" turn-in, etc, etc. etc. No need to go down the path of "increased understeer" discussion either... I don't drive Monza on the way to work in the morning
However, after the front M3 swaybar upgrade, I INSTANTLY noticed two things I was actually not expecting: 1. I used to have the dreaded passenger A-pillar rattle. Had tried to fix it with silicone spray, removing and tightening down the pillar cover, etc. In the past months I think I got rid of 80% of the rattle, but over certain pavement and/or under rapid steering inputs, it would rear its ugly head. Miraculously, after the sway bar install.... IT'S GONE!!!! Now I must admit I am not sure if the harder bushings, new torsional resistance, or what actually lead to this... but that inherent "chassis flex" that would creep up around the dash/A-pillar section... GONE!!!! 2. Our cars like to side-step over uneven pavement... yes the stock shock dampening sucks, RFT's suck, etc... but after the sway bar install, this was the other aspect of the 135's suspension that improved. I won't say it is completely gone, no; however driving over the same manhole covers and road imperfections that I do every morning, the improvement in straight-line stability was immediately obvious. Anyway, for those of you with either of the 2 issues noted above, I would highly reccommend the upgrade to the E93 front bar. Even if you weren't looking for better steering feel, less body roll, etc... the benefits are well-worth the $$ for the improved dynamics. |
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135ivert, it's a coupe... but I imagine the added roll resistance and apperently overall (miraculously) reduced chassis flex could help a vert even more.
I only posted this as approaching it from a somewhat-engineering perspective, it seemed a bit counter-intuitive that adding roll resitance to the unsprung chassis components would stiffen the chassis itself. If anything I would think it would exacerbate the flex in the body itself. If anyone else has had this experience or has a plausible explanation... by all means, please share. |
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02-10-2014, 06:18 PM | #6 |
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Hmmmm...my passenger side pillar is a creaky SOB, along with the glove box area..creaks like crazy...drives me nuts. M3 arms, -1.5 degrees of camber, E93 sway bar, rear subrame bushings....
Will check the strut tower bolts though...hadn't given it a lot of thought and since the car is currently on blocks...will double check the anti-sway bar is still tight.
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Adding a front bar on a BMW actually decreases understeer. It is kinda a weird thing that happens on our car that isn't typical on all RWD cars.
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Nothing weird about it, and it's common with any MacPherson strut front car, either FWD or RWD. The camber change due to roll, stock, is so unfavorable that reducing roll increases traction on the outside front tire more than enough to compensate for the increased weight transfer to that tire caused by the bar.
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02-10-2014, 06:59 PM | #10 |
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OK. Was going to postpone the front sway bar upgrade until after I do my springs and dampers. You guys are convincing me to consider the E93/M3 bar first. Ive been attacking my understeer issue with camber plates, and M3 front control arms. My front RE-11 tires took a beating (especially outside edges) until I tamed the issue in the middle of my 2013 season.
I would not mind dialing the camber back a little, reducing body roll, and understeer even more, with a FSB worth $300 that is an easy DIY.
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If you're going to bring back camber, go with a tire that had a stiffer sidewall...like ZII which can be used quite effectively on a camber challenged car. |
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On another note, I booked some lapping courses for late April, as investing in the driver is as critical as mods themselves.
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I think this just made it to my "next mod" list thanks to your write-up.
BTW, I was just in the Tempe area for 5 days. I saw zero 1-series. Either they're pretty rare there or just none in Tempe. |
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Funny...true...I just keep the top down and the stereo up, then it's not a problem
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The E92 or E93 FSB has been on my short term list, along with rear upper control arms. I have read a couple of threads where members claimed that the E92 or E93 Front Sway bar should not be done until dampers and/or springs have been upgraded (slightly firmer). The reason being is that the cumulation of stiffer springs and stiffer bar might be too much, and create a negative effect (ie: increased understeer). I notice you have done all of these piece meal. What year is your 1 series (2011+ MY came with the linear springs) Did you keep the stock M sport springs when you installed your Koni's? Did you get the FSB before or after the Koni dampers? Do you use your car on the track? Any signs of understeer?
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But, I'm just theorizing too. So don't trust me, either. Trust the guys who have been there and done that. |
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