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I agree the 135i is not an attractive looking car. I also am not buying this car for looks or automotive art...I have others for that! In fact one of the reasons this car is attractive to me is because it does not look too flash.
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I disagree. 400+hp would be a lot of motor for this car. The 135i engine is very smooth but 300hp doesn't even strain the tires for traction unless you do a clutch drop. It's "a lot of motor" when you can put it in 2nd gear and get slight wheelspin just by stomping the gas pedal. Of course, that assumes traction control is off.
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I don't really buy that. 6 pistons does nothing major for sheer stopping power - swept surface, rotor thickness, torque (size/shape/etc.) , materials and cooling do far more.
I think per lbs of vehicle weight, the 135i Brembos are similarly sized with the 335i single-pistons. In both cars, you would need different pads and fluid for fast track driving and at that point, the major advantage of the 135 setup could only be better feel (helpful if you are trying to brake just on the edge of invoking the ABS). Don't listen to all the marketing BS. A few days of track driving can quickly teach you what's important performance-wise. The only thing so far that distinguishes 135i brakes compared to the 335 ones is the price of track pads (twice the price of 335 pads). :smile: As I said, I definitely like the 135i, but am not blinded by any of the marketing hype.
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you know everytime i read something like this I have to chuckle...no one ever mentions driver skill...esp w/ a six speed.... some guys are clueless.... |
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All Dodge/Chrysler SRT-8 models
A few Audis (S4/RS4/R8 etc.) A variety of Benzes A variety of Porsches Nissan 350Z, Infinity G37 A few Lexus models Corvettes Hyunday Genesis V8 sedan and the new Coupe etc. All these cars have similar or better acceleration numbers, some cost thousands less. BMW is most definitely not alone in the 300+ BHP bracket. But none of them drive themselves, so a more pertinent question is: can YOU do 4.8sec 0-60 in your 135i? (I tried in my 335 and all I did was roast my rear tires in an embarrasing manner).
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The other models mentioned (with the exception of the Dodges) are much more expensive, thus not necessarily comparable for many people. |
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Yeah, get your facts straight. The only Porche, Audi, MB, Lexus, or Corvette that are going to be faster than a 135i are all going to cost you MORE not less. What fanatasy world are you living in?
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When I did my shopping, I looked everywhere and could not find a car that could match 135's performance and at the price that I want to paid (less than 35K, actually I paid $34800 for a 135i with sport package). The only one that come close is EVO and bar none.
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As for the Nissan/Infinity - they are very close, as to not matter very much in real life on the road. The new 370Z will probably be a tad faster than the 135i. So what? Who cares? You are not buying the fastest car around, even at the $35k stripper price point. It's the overall package, and the experience, quality, feel - and the possibility and allure of running it on the Autobahn and Alpine Passes (at least for me). Quote:
So now in order to make a unique statement of how fast the 135i you'd have to come up with something like this: the 135i is one of the few new (stock) cars that can hit 0-60 in 4.8 sec and costs $35k if no options are selected. Again, who cares? It's fun, and you can afford it - no need for ultimate statements. Quote:
Forgot the add the Pontiac G8, Challenger and upcoming Camaro. My points are simple: 1. You can buy cheaper cars that are at least as fast. 2. You can buy cheaper and/or similarly priced cars that are faster, or even much faster (case in point the Vette). Or cars that are such a surprise - like the freakin' Hyundai... 3. You will get burned by fat old guys like me in their stately 335i's. :biggrin: So you can, and you will, get burned on the road by other cars that are faster. It seems I struck a nerve here - there is absolutely no reason to get defensive or even magazine-race your 1. It's a fine car, but it's not the fastest, or the best handling, or the prettiest.
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Breaking the wheels loose does not mean you have "a lot of motor", it means that you DON'T have "a lot of traction":iono: About two months ago I could break loose my S2000 hitting third gear. Of course my tires were over due for new ones but still... Putting the car in second gear, stomping the pedal on the right, and breaking loose is an American Muscle thing. Throughout history American Muscle cars could do two things really well. 1. Go fast in a straight line 2. Burn rubber Wheelspin is fun, but bad for performance. That is why BMW engineered the 135i not to have wheelspin:thumbup:
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[quote=adc;187905]As for the Nissan/Infinity - they are very close, as to not matter very much in real life on the road. The new 370Z will probably be a tad faster than the 135i.quote]
If the specs are even close in reality the 370Z will be much faster then the 135i. It is supposed to be lighter then the current 350Z and have more power. It is going to be a beast:eyebulge:
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I don't need to drive a chipped one to report that. In fact I have driven a 335i Sedan with Dinan Stage 2, RR DP's and catback. It was a blast but he also put down more rubber to handle the extra power so wheelspin is still minimal. I have also owned a 69' Camaro SS with about 480hp and 450ft.lbs so I know what wheelspin feels like. It is fun but sucks for performance. BTW- I have a SSTT sitting at my house right now waiting for my 1er to arrive this month. I will report back then:wink:
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Driving in the rain is especially eye-opening now.
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Another member questioned what other cars pull 4.8 0-60, you responded with a list of cars (some of which are not applicable), and I interjected with my perspective--there are not a lot of cars with the same capabilities as the 135 that are in the same class. Although this wasn't a part of the original criteria, realistically speaking, it's important to a large amount of people. I believe the performance difference between the G37 and 135 to be extremely perceptible. It was for me at least. The new 370Z is supposed to be a beast, but it's not out yet and shouldn't be considered in this present discussion. I've not read factual performance data about the Hyundai, but I'll keep my eyes open for the article. I also wasn't factoring in used cars due to warranty, hidden costs, etc. My point is simple: the 135 is not the fastest/best/ultimate car, but it puts up numbers that are fairly exclusive, especially at its price point. |
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- Corvette - all SRT-8 models from the Dodge/Chrysler family (Charger, Challenger, 300C, Magnum, Crossfire, Jeep) - Mustang - Pontiac G8 - Lexus IS350 - Hyundai (probationary) If you look at this list, it shows that there are at least 10-11 other NEW cars that you can meet on the road that will give you a run for your money, in more ways than one. 10 other cars in the same price/performance range constitute IMO plenty of other cars to choose from. :iono:
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Let's get it straight:
Corvette, yes it is faster and perform better than 135, but you can't get a Corvette for less than 35K SRT-8s they are priced close to 40K and it is a gas guzzler Mustang, yes they are priced close to 35K or bleow and has about the same performance but it is in different league. A BMW shopper will not buy a Mustang and not to mention its poor gas milage. Pontiac G8, same as Mustang and it is a gas guzzler too Lexus IS350, it cost more than a 135 and it has lesser performance than 135. Hyundai, a Hyundai? ask your kids and see if they like Hyundai or not. It is not as fast as 135, weight too heavy and it is a gas guzzler too. I will never look or conisder to buy Hyundai. So, none of the cars above can compete with 135 in terms of overall performance and yield decent gas milage. Yes, at 4$ gas per gallon, you better factor in the gas milage in your equation. |
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2. SRT vehicles: The base price is still more than the base of the 135 by around 5k. I don't see too many people cross shopping the 300C, Jeep and the 135 3. Mustang: Yes, it pulls similar 0-60 times but gets smashed in the twisties, comfort, etc. I don't consider it in the same class, but it is a cheaper vehicle with comparable acceleration. 4. G8: see #3. Great potential with that car though. I loved the GTO, and I hate Pontiac with the intensity of 1,000 suns. 5. IS350: too luxury oriented, not enough sport. Similar price and acceleration, but I don't see a connection between a sports coupe and a luxury sedan, especially a lux sedan w/o a manual. 335 sedan and IS350 is a better match. 6. Hyudai: Not out yet, not included. I don't buy hype, I buy product. I think we have a difference in what we consider comparable vehicles. No problem with that, but you should expect to get questioned when you throw up an arbitrary list of vehicles in an attempt to discount what the 135 does/offers. |
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My 135i when built with my options stickers around $41-42k. You can definitely get a Corvette, the G8 and a bunch of the SRT-8 family for this kind of money. Loaded with everything. If Hyundai builds a performance car that drives like a bimmer and costs well under $30k, I will join the line to buy one. And with the purchase price savings I can cover the fuel economy difference for 10-20 years... I won't ever ask my kids if they think my car is cool or desirable - he's 5, he'll tell me to go get the Mach 5 racer. If you want to close your eyes to other possibilities, or be blinded by brand loyalty or status associations, go right ahead. As for answering directly to the title of this thread, a 400BHP Pontiac for under $40k is definitely a lot of motor. The 135i with 300BHP slightly less so. I absolutely love how inflated the 135 owners egos are.
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