Check it out - Video demonstration of the cp-e Standback EMS

dadasracecar · 03-03-2009, 03:47 PM

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cp-e finally finished the closed-loop boost control system for their N54 engine management system. I followed their progress on it for many months actually. Two key points to mention about this product:

1. It is end-user tunable. That means the customer may tune the vehicle however they'd like, and are not bound to "canned maps" that may or may not be ideal for the vehicle's modifications or environmental conditions. So now you can actually tune these things on the dyno for the most power possible.

2. It features REAL boost control (that they've worked very very hard on). You set the pressure, and the Standback will make it happen. We're not piggybacking off of the factory boost control so you don't get inconsistent pressure that's simply 'higher' than stock. You dial it in for 12psi, and it'll hold 12psi.

The end-user may adjust the engine's air/fuel ratio, ignition advance, and boost pressure using the Standback, and changes can even be made on the fly. Pretty cool stuff, and should be available shortly for under $1000. Thought you guys might be interested in seeing another tuning suite on the market to choose from.

wu2x · 03-03-2009, 04:15 PM

That looks amazing! Will this come with preset maps? I like being able to do my own custom tweaking but would like to have a starting point.

dadasracecar · 03-03-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saikelol

That looks amazing! Will this come with preset maps? I like being able to do my own custom tweaking but would like to have a starting point.

I was told that they would be releasing the Standback with a base tune. So it will come more or less dialed in for the vehicle out of the box. That should make for a great starting point for tweaking

wu2x · 03-03-2009, 04:30 PM

Sweet! I'm gonna have to save up for this. When's the ETA?

dadasracecar · 03-03-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by saikelol

Sweet! I'm gonna have to save up for this. When's the ETA?

That's a good question. I asked them and they told me that they're working on the wiring harnesses for the initial batch. From what I could gather they're close to release, but I wasn't able to get any specifics.

d1ko7omy · 03-03-2009, 05:16 PM

Wow... want! Hopefull it'll come out soon... it may thwart my purchase of a JB3 1.3... Wonder which will be out first? This sure looks a heck of a lot more fun tho

Citizen Z · 03-03-2009, 05:25 PM

Thats pretty frikkin impressive capabilities. Its about time somebody developed a comprehensive tuning option for this engine. Not that I'm in the market, but coming from a aftermarket turbo for Mazda3, I really appreciate the flexibility this kind of software provides. Nice job guys.

miro2296 · 03-03-2009, 07:47 PM

Very Impressive! Excellent work guys!

TunedM2C · 03-03-2009, 08:44 PM

Good stuff.

E82tt6 · 03-03-2009, 09:48 PM

I think this is the first thing we've seen that will allow for custom dyno tunes. Well done!

Johnnyr135 · 03-03-2009, 09:50 PM

Are you actually tuning the car like DINAN so you are setting new values so that you would not be setting off a tuner code since you are not tricking the ECU you are actually saying these are now the correct values? Or if you do set them off can you erase them with this? Can you download the stock program and save it so that you can reprogram the car before service? This could be a great new product good luck with it.

wu2x · 03-03-2009, 10:23 PM

I would like to know about the codes issue as well - will there be a way to clear the codes?

mkPOTO · 03-03-2009, 10:54 PM

very nice.. reminds me of hondata k-pro unit..
basically where able to do the same thing, now im just curious about price and what kind of people will be able to tune it being that the car is pretty much new

WAY · 03-04-2009, 07:15 AM

laloosh, wished you were in Australia. Can someone who dyno tune Motec do this?

TakeOne · 03-04-2009, 07:27 AM

smooOTH

Jordan

If seeing is believing, what would a test drive do....

SpeedballTrix · 03-04-2009, 05:24 PM

Wow, thats awesome.
Reminds me of the link ECU for miatas.
I wanna say it's about time, but I guess its really not =P

Very cool stuff.

Impulse · 03-04-2009, 07:54 PM

more options

wu2x · 03-04-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by laloosh

Dont worry about the tunning guys, ever since terry banned me for asking simple questions about his product, ill make it a point to do this for free. Youtube standback vs. cobb ap to see what im capable of

That's what I'm talking about!

Canned maps are so last year

dadasracecar · 03-04-2009, 10:52 PM

I'm now running 12 psi with the cp-e catted DPs. It's a beautiful thing. I can't wait till this is release and we get more users on it.

dadasracecar · 03-07-2009, 01:08 PM

So in the other thread there was discussion of how a flat boost curve wouldn't always be desirable. Regardless of how you feel about it, we wanted to demonstrate that the cp-e control is not limited to a single number, flat curve.

The boost control is simply amazing. Again, this is only possible because of the vacuum controlled wastegates but it is absolutely clear that we can do whatever we want with boost.

wu2x · 03-09-2009, 06:46 PM

Why did dadasracecar get banned? I thought 1addicts didn't do the whole sponsor crap?? First our mods, now this...

raolc · 03-09-2009, 07:01 PM

So will this be easy enough for an inexperienced tuner to use? I know I don't want to go above 14 PSI, so knowing that is this safe for me to use with out much knowledge? And do I need a computer in the car to change the boost or are you guys going to come out with some type of boost controller I can install in the ashtray or such?

Also, can this be removed and any tampering codes be removed with the Bavarian Technic or GT1?

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dadasracecar Banned 18 Rep 268 Posts Drives: '06 Mazdaspeed6 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: DC iTrader: (0)	Check it out - Video demonstration of the cp-e Standback EMS [u2b]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SU2e3TpDm5U&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SU2e3TpDm5U&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/u2b] cp-e finally finished the closed-loop boost control system for their N54 engine management system. I followed their progress on it for many months actually. Two key points to mention about this product: 1. It is end-user tunable. That means the customer may tune the vehicle however they'd like, and are not bound to "canned maps" that may or may not be ideal for the vehicle's modifications or environmental conditions. So now you can actually tune these things on the dyno for the most power possible. 2. It features REAL boost control (that they've worked very very hard on). You set the pressure, and the Standback will make it happen. We're not piggybacking off of the factory boost control so you don't get inconsistent pressure that's simply 'higher' than stock. You dial it in for 12psi, and it'll hold 12psi. The end-user may adjust the engine's air/fuel ratio, ignition advance, and boost pressure using the Standback, and changes can even be made on the fly. Pretty cool stuff, and should be available shortly for under $1000. Thought you guys might be interested in seeing another tuning suite on the market to choose from.
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wu2x Captain 36 Rep 717 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2008 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	That looks amazing! Will this come with preset maps? I like being able to do my own custom tweaking but would like to have a starting point.
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Citizen Z Alpine Master 111 Rep 1,310 Posts Drives: '08 135i AW Sport Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kansas iTrader: (1)	Thats pretty frikkin impressive capabilities. Its about time somebody developed a comprehensive tuning option for this engine. Not that I'm in the market, but coming from a aftermarket turbo for Mazda3, I really appreciate the flexibility this kind of software provides. Nice job guys. __________________ Alpine White with Taupe Leather 135i, Sports Package, Heated Seats, Comfort Access, iPod Adapter Fastness: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252727
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wu2x Captain 36 Rep 717 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2008 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	I would like to know about the codes issue as well - will there be a way to clear the codes?
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dadasracecar Banned 18 Rep 268 Posts Drives: '06 Mazdaspeed6 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: DC iTrader: (0)	I'm now running 12 psi with the cp-e catted DPs. It's a beautiful thing. I can't wait till this is release and we get more users on it.
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dadasracecar Banned 18 Rep 268 Posts Drives: '06 Mazdaspeed6 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: DC iTrader: (0)	So in the other thread there was discussion of how a flat boost curve wouldn't always be desirable. Regardless of how you feel about it, we wanted to demonstrate that the cp-e control is not limited to a single number, flat curve. The boost control is simply amazing. Again, this is only possible because of the vacuum controlled wastegates but it is absolutely clear that we can do whatever we want with boost.
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wu2x Captain 36 Rep 717 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2008 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	Why did dadasracecar get banned? I thought 1addicts didn't do the whole sponsor crap?? First our mods, now this...
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raolc Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 281 Posts Drives: z4m Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	So will this be easy enough for an inexperienced tuner to use? I know I don't want to go above 14 PSI, so knowing that is this safe for me to use with out much knowledge? And do I need a computer in the car to change the boost or are you guys going to come out with some type of boost controller I can install in the ashtray or such? Also, can this be removed and any tampering codes be removed with the Bavarian Technic or GT1?
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