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Woah! Somebody through down the gauntlet. Koolaid anybody? lol
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10-02-2014, 06:56 PM | #46 | |
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LOL. I've never leased a car in my life. I'm both a hobbyist and a driver. A true driver wouldn't be satisfied overpaying for a brand name like a fashion statement. I true driver would understand that more performance is appreciated and well used. Someone happy pushing 13psi or whatever dinan tunes get you for $2k is just driving around posing in my eyes. Why pay more for less other than to show off? Got that gucci headliner on there too bro? |
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10-02-2014, 07:13 PM | #47 |
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So how many pages of posts do we need to get to before you comment on the statement about removing juice boxes being too hard for warranty work...yet you'd have to remove your downpipes and dinan turbos, since they carry no warranty.
Just going to ignore that one forever are we? Paying double to void your warranty just like the other aftermarket options that make more power...but hey they don't get you cool points for a sweet performance badge. I mean without that how will everyone know what a sucker you are? |
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You would get more civilized responses but when you come off so crass. Nobody cares and I think, would ever waste their time and give you the responses you seek. I am not insulting you. There is truly no punn intended. It is simply my opinion about you.
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10-02-2014, 08:32 PM | #50 |
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This is a simple matter of believing in, or wanting to believe in, what you have purchased. Dinan is a minority due to the cost. The problem is that Dinan buyers have a tendency to act as if they are superior because they have spent more money, almost more passionately so as they spent considerably more. I should also mention that, deep down, they know there are better, more cost effective solutions. This, however, is repressed and the agitation this causes bubbles forth in the forums as zealotry.
Personally I do believe that some Dinan components are well developed and cool - especially for the E39 M5. As with any tuner you have to review their offerings and choose what works. For me, and I consider myself a driver, my path is elsewhere.
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10-04-2014, 10:06 AM | #51 | |
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If you think tuning is all about 13PSI and not what an engine does at that 13psi, then all the power to you. You should install two juice boxes on your rider and really pimp that tune.. doubled juiced!! My friend, it is not all about horsepower, but about perfect stoic and cooling. Max HP is only needed when you live in California and drag race on the streets. Max HP does nothing for you at the track, where load & torque matter.. & durability. The mere fact you dig on the DINAN tune, illustrates you have no clue what a real tune is, or does to an engine. |
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10-04-2014, 10:46 AM | #52 |
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I say let people mod their car however they want. I don't understand the bashing from either side and it is really quite embarrassing. I would assume we are all somewhat successful to be able to afford BMWs but reading these threads (not just for the 1 series...but all BMW s) you would think we all are a bunch of 12 year olds. So what if someone wants to pay more for less power...it is their car and it gives them a piece of mind. Good for them. And who cares if someone else wants to build an 800hp monster that could explode at any minute! Great! We all have different wants and needs...you can state facts and give your reasoning to what you have but putting people down for not doing the same thing that you do is just childish. I laugh when people try to define what a true driver/enthusiast is. In this thread alone I have seen two definitions; a true driver wants the piece of mind of a dinan so they can track then take straight to the dealer, and, a true driver would rather make more power for cheap. Which one is right? You both are.
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10-05-2014, 01:36 AM | #55 | |
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10-05-2014, 08:02 AM | #56 | |
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Some people will never be able to fully comprehend what makes one person spend money on something they would never; in the same way a skinny person won't ever comprehend how an obese person gained so much weight, or in the way a drug addict sees a sober person and wonders how it's possible they don't use every day. If money was not an object to you, and you owned a more exotic BMW, say an M5, or heck let's take it to the extreme, a Veyron - would you use a product like the JB4, or would you spend the extra cash to get something that was more expensive and maintained a little bit more of the integrity of what the original manufacturer was aiming for? I guess it's a question that is purely hypothetical, but nevertheless, something to think about. We're the type of people who are always going to want to modify our cars, no matter what they roll out of the factory with. Matt LeBlanc said it best on Top Gear when asked about modding his Porsche - "I don't like the idea that a guy can just go down to the dealership and get the same car as me." We all want to feel special, and for some people spending more makes them feel that way, for some people, spending less makes them feel that way. It's an interesting dichotomy, and I think is more one worth celebrating than debating! Just my $.05
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Darkrom's just full of shit. That is why he shitted all over your thread. I remember. Nevertheless, I do not get peeps like him. You spend $50,000 or so on a new car and then you spend $500 bucks to mod it. Then it breaks and wonder why BMW says screw you and on top of that, these koolaid juice box guys rag on Dinan's engineering. What...ever....s.... I say, to each there own.
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This maybe wishful thinking.... Perhaps those juicyfruit koolaid box guys can now keep their antagonistic and unproductive comments to themselves.
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10-05-2014, 02:52 PM | #59 | |
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OR you spend $500 and it DOESN'T break, outperforms the dinan and adds additional features. I still can't find an example of anything dinan does "better" without using buzzwords you picked up in sales pitches. "the engineering bro". JB4 is well tested. Cobb is well tested. Both are better than dinan in every way other than they don't give you points to buy a badge so you can show everyone how cool they are. Answer this, what does dinan do better? SHOW me something they do better than either JB4 or Cobb. You make claims about cooling, seems based on nothing to me. Show me the IATs of the JB4 vs Cobb vs dinans one time flash that you are basing these claims on. Show literally ANY piece of evidence that dinan does anything better than ANY of the competitors. Until that happens you are just spewing marketing back up. JB4 and cobb are both cheaper and have better performance and additional features that a simple one time reflash won't/can't have. So now present an actual argument of why you feel dinan is worth the price gauging and lackluster performance please. |
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I wasn't taking sides, just mentioning that there are many differing points of view that people will fervently cling to when they believe their viewpoint to be the correct one.
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Most people who live in California don't think they're in a fast & furious movie. I've lived here all my life and never drag raced and most people that I know that live here haven't either. The number of people who do drag race here is probably more or less the same as every other state.
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I have a JB4, don't like it. My idle fluctuates at idle and that annoys me. I like the flex fuel and the steering wheel controls, but ultimately I just want a tune that returns correct fuel mixtures and doesn't use the knock sensor to adjust timing. It's good I suppose, but It's not integrated how I would have liked it to be and it also doesn't let me use my AWRON guage as it makes my CAN busy
Cobb IMO is the better solution, so will just have to wait until that comes along someday. Dinan Stage 3 is something I'm going for in two weeks. I also plan on doing the N55 compressor upgrade once that gets released. For me anything more than 450 crank hp is too much for the 1 series chassis on a dual duty street/track car. All I'd need to purchase is the turbo itself and install it. I doubt stage 3->4 tune will cost much more.
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None of you people are tuners or engineers. It takes teams of both to develope quality software. If you want to rely on someone with no credentials like JB4, cobb or vishnu, thats fine but I'm surprised that you think your opinion is gospel. If you like cheap shit, sell your Bimmer and buy hyundai.
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