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[SlicktopTTZ]

Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

If price is not an issue, than why not get an M3? I own e92 m3(my daily driver) and let me tell you that no n54 or n55 comes close to v-8 high revving engine. Not even tuned. By the way, how did you spend 48 K on your vert if you are leasing it?

Some people do not want a 3700lb car that gets very little hp/$ per mod.

Does not even come close, even tuned? The M3's engine is not that strong, sure it can rev, but my father's c5 z06 feels (is) faster.

A 135i with tune only in the right weather will out accelerate a M3, especially if it is manual.

[SlicktopTTZ]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

M is written all over my car. Does that make me a badge whore?

No, you are just a whore. :P

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

If price is not an issue, than why not get an M3? I own e92 m3(my daily driver) and let me tell you that no n54 or n55 comes close to v-8 high revving engine. Not even tuned. By the way, how did you spend 48 K on your vert if you are leasing it?

I like small cars, give me an E30 M3 any day of the year, but an E92 is too huge for me. I was debating doing an M3 drivetrain swap on my car but I cant stand how much its falling apart any more. I need a new top because of wear issues. This will be the third top on the car in 2 years and the second one in 5 months. Its ridiculous.

My vert stickered at 48K and I put a hefty down payment on it to keep lease payments low. I thought I would keep this car for quite a long time. and the way the residuals worked out it wouldve been a cheaper buy in the long run.

I havent fully payed it off but trust me that it will have a low residual.

[Evan135]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

im simply giving an apples to apples comparison. How much do M3 bushings, control arms, tie rods, and sway bars cost? how about an LSD? or stiffer springs and shocks?

Now add the cost of a front and rear widebody along with tighter seats and possibly larger turbos (rumored at this point) and how much money have you spent?

Im not trying to convince myself of anything. I spent 48K on a 1er and price isnt an issue. Its a cost to benefit thing and I see the benefit to be there if the car comes in at around 50K optioned the way I want it


You are also forgetting that by the time I potentially pick up a 1MC my vert will be 3 years old and my lease will be up. Looking at a new car the 1MC is a very nice option if the price is right.

You are right IMO. Anyone that thinks the 1M is a bolt on 135i are so wrong and show their lack of knowledge. Take all of the suspension off a M3, which with bushings and all is dozens of parts, and you have the foundation for the 1M. And do not fool yourself that you can achieve the same results with bolt-ons. The 1M has a noticably wider track and ability to run wider tires. Most M cars use wider tracks for a reason. The physics are just better.

If the 1M is not a M car then neither is the E9x M3. The basis for the cars suspension are almost exactly the same. Springs and shocks should be the only difference. Also the 1M should be even better, or at least more entertaining, in handling than the current M3 with notably less weight and shorter wheelbase. Remember the current M3, that shares suspension with the 1M, still wins in comparison test with even newer cars with " up to date technology". Newer is not always better.

Also when you mod you rarely test many combinations to get it right. I know this. I developed the HSK Mustang GT8, I was chief engineer, which was an enhanced Mustang for export to Germany in the late 1980's. Chassis tuning done correctly is more than bolt ons. Tires, all bushings, spring rates, shock damping, tires, sway bars, rear differential type, geometry and others have to be tuned together. The M division excels at this. This is why the M3, and most likely 1M, handle so well.

I know many get down on the engine, why? The N54 has won numerous international awards and those who are running around with 400+ hp and 400+ lb/ft of torque are having a great time with them. An update on the N54 by the M division should be relevant and with mods far more powerful than the current M3. I know it is not naturally aspirated but niether will the next M3 be.

I just get tired of people in denial that won't give BMW the cedit they deserve. I know I will loose money on my 135 but it will be worthy it. This will be a superior car to the 135i in every way and not cost that much more. All the 1M will need is a chip.

[M3Power79]

Originally Posted by Evan135

You are right IMO. Anyone that thinks the 1M is a bolt on 135i are so wrong and show their lack of knowledge. Take all of the suspension off a M3, which with bushings and all is dozens of parts, and you have the foundation for the 1M. And do not fool yourself that you can achieve the same results with bolt-ons. The 1M has a noticably wider track and ability to run wider tires. Most M cars use wider tracks for a reason. The physics are just better.

If the 1M is not a M car then neither is the E9x M3. The basis for the cars suspension are almost exactly the same. Springs and shocks should be the only difference. Also the 1M should be even better, or at least more entertaining, in handling than the current M3 with notably less weight and shorter wheelbase. Remember the current M3, that shares suspension with the 1M, still wins in comparison test with even newer cars with " up to date technology". Newer is not always better.

Also when you mod you rarely test many combinations to get it right. I know this. I developed the HSK Mustang GT8, I was chief engineer, which was an enhanced Mustang for export to Germany in the late 1980's. Chassis tuning done correctly is more than bolt ons. Tires, all bushings, spring rates, shock damping, tires, sway bars, rear differential type, geometry and others have to be tuned together. The M division excels at this. This is why the M3, and most likely 1M, handle so well.

I know many get down on the engine, why? The N54 has won numerous international awards and those who are running around with 400+ hp and 400+ lb/ft of torque are having a great time with them. An update on the N54 by the M division should be relevant and with mods far more powerful than the current M3. I know it is not naturally aspirated but niether will the next M3 be.

I just get tired of people in denial that won't give BMW the cedit they deserve. I know I will loose money on my 135 but it will be worthy it. This will be a superior car to the 135i in every way and not cost that much more. All the 1M will need is a chip.

+1 , apparantly a lot of frustrated 135i owners over here! I would also be if i had bought a year ago a brand new 135i with some options and to see the much more superior 1M apear for the same price of a well equiped 135i.
BUT IT IS NO REASON TO MINIMALISE IT UNDENIABLE QUALITIES AND DO AS IF IT IS NOT A TRUE M - CAR , CAUSE IT IS!

[Evice]

Originally Posted by formula M

(You r trolling at this point.)

Details... we already know the engine in the 1M is nearly identical to the engine found int he Z4 sDrive35is, not the 135i... u must be retarded, or unappreciative of facts!

So, laugh all u want, because every moron on these boards, knows this, save a few trolls. Unless u r claiming the the 135i and the Z4 (sDrive35is) share the same engine..?

Are you out of your f.ing mind? YES. THEY SHARE THE SAME N54B30...wow... You are one hell of a...

[Groundpilot]

Originally Posted by Evice

Are you out of your f.ing mind? YES. THEY SHARE THE SAME N54B30...wow... You are one hell of a...

Let me finish your sentence. TROLL.

[///M1]

[QUOTE=BrokenVert]Im tired of all the problems with the vert.../QUOTE] Your handle is not entirely good karma inducing ;-o)

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by Evice

Are you out of your f.ing mind? YES. THEY SHARE THE SAME N54B30...wow... You are one hell of a...

For those that are not well versed in ///M history a few iterational evolutions:

E30 chassis, M10 engine block, S38 head, ///M fairy dust=..........E30 M3. Almost every interior part is the same as the E30. Almost every exterior panel will bolt up with exception of the windshield, rear window/roof hump, rear quarters. Same tub, same floor, same suspension pickup points, ETC.

E36 Chassis, (NA) M52 bored/tuned engine, M suspension and ///M fairy dust=....E36 M3

E46 Chassis, M54 engine+ ///M tweaks, ///M Suspension= E46 M3

E34 blah blah blah S38 =E34 M5
E39......M62+........=E39 M5 M

Shall I go on?

135i chassis, N54+ ///M tweaks, + M3 suspension.....= 1 Series ///M Coupe.

Quit your fucking whining and complaining and comparing and and and......

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[SlicktopTTZ]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

For those that are not well versed in ///M history a few iterational evolutions:

E30 chassis, M10 engine block, S38 head, ///M fairy dust=..........E30 M3. Almost every interior part is the same as the E30. Almost every exterior panel will bolt up with exception of the windshield, rear window/roof hump, rear quarters. Same tub, same floor, same suspension pickup points, ETC.

E36 Chassis, (NA) M52 bored/tuned engine, M suspension and ///M fairy dust=....E36 M3

E46 Chassis, M54 engine+ ///M tweaks, ///M Suspension= E46 M3

E34 blah blah blah S38 =E34 M5
E39......M62+........=E39 M5 M

Shall I go on?

135i chassis, N54+ ///M tweaks, + M3 suspension.....= 1 Series ///M Coupe.

Quit your fucking whining and complaining and comparing and and and......

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Thank you, seriously.

[BrokenVert]

There have only been two engines hand built from the block up by the M division as far as I know.

The S65 and the M88.

Even the V12 in the Maclaren F1 was based off of the production V12 in the 7 series

[Jeff_DML]

Originally Posted by formula M

lol... see "details"
Lastly, How much more re-purposed does the engine in the Z4 sDrive35is engine needs to be, before it enough for you? Before it's M?

not go into limp mode on the track( also preferably not have HPFP failures)

[BrokenVert]

Formula m you do realize that the only difference between the N54B30 engines and supporting components between a 335is and a standard 335 is the engine software right?

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

For those that are not well versed in ///M history a few iterational evolutions:

E30 chassis, M10 engine block, S38 head, ///M fairy dust=..........E30 M3. Almost every interior part is the same as the E30. Almost every exterior panel will bolt up with exception of the windshield, rear window/roof hump, rear quarters. Same tub, same floor, same suspension pickup points, ETC.

Mang, All good points, but the e30 M3 motor is nothing like any other e30.

What we need is a bigger single turbo N54 plat, 2 oil coolers, 6 throttle bodies and skip the stupid DI. Sorry, I was just day dreaming.

[///Mangler]

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Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Mang, All good points, but the e30 M3 motor is nothing like any other e30.

What we need is a bigger single turbo N54 plat, 2 oil coolers, 6 throttle bodies and skip the stupid DI. Sorry, I was just day dreaming.

I said interior parts ie door cards carpet Windows center console seats. Never said anything about other e30 power plants. I know what the S14 is and what they look like layed out In pieces in the garage too.

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[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Mang, All good points, but the e30 M3 motor is nothing like any other e30.

What we need is a bigger single turbo N54 plat, 2 oil coolers, 6 throttle bodies and skip the stupid DI. Sorry, I was just day dreaming.

Sounds like HPF specs to me.

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[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

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I said interior parts ie door cards carpet Windows center console seats. Never said anything about other e30 power plants. I know what the S14 is and what they look like layed out In pieces in the garage too.

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Just pointing out that 1M<>135i motors are the same and e30 M3 <> 325is are totally different, which you know all ready.

What is hpf spec?

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Just pointing out that 1M<>135i motors are the same and e30 M3 <> 325is are totally different, which you know all ready.

What is hpf spec?

Search HPF and S54.........///Majesticaluciously violent.

Stage 1 S54:



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[///Mangler]

Just to go way off topic. 0-200mph......just watch the speedo, not the tach.....

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[ihatepotholes]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

Just to go way off topic. 0-200mph......just watch the speedo, not the tach.....

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whats point of that video? it's on a dyno with no load, no drag... im sure it's fast, but that video is deceiving.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

whats point of that video? it's on a dyno with no load, no drag... im sure it's fast, but that video is deceiving.

Because they are that fast on the road. Not saying that I like hypo boosted cars, but to do this with ITB's with the reliability that they provide, is amazing. The engineering that is behind the S54 product line is top notch.

Same speedo results on the road:

All this proves is that with the proper engineering (BMW ///M), could produce similar results if allowed. Of course the market for such cars is not viable.

The new 1M will be worthy of the moniker, but it will be nice to see the new ///M3 power plant and the Gen 2 1M power plant. With BMW entering DTM with the new M3, it will have this level of potential off the lot.

Just look at the S14 variables, with DTM motorsport parts, that are still part numbers in the catalog today. How fa$t do you want to go? 400hp and 10,000 RPM is avail with 2.5l today with NOS off the shelf parts. 30-40k euro and you can this level S14.

There has NEVER been a BMW ///M fail. Period. Even the NA E36 M3 was the best coupe in America at the time.

This is where the S65 came from. It is a direct iteration of the BMW F1 V8 that turned 19000rpm.

M3 Adjuster is a long time E30 M3 sig member and track junkie. We will get very good feedback as it pertains to a modified E30 M3 on the track and I don't think it will disappoint, but exceed all expectations.


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[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Even the V12 in the Maclaren F1 was based off of the production V12 in the 7 series

Not true. They looked at modifying the M70, but couldn't make it work- it was far too big/ heavy. The S70/2 was clean sheet, and shared no components, spacing, etc with the M70 7 series V12. When BMW made the SB50 euro M3 motor they essentially cut the S70/2 in half. FYI.